• FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    I agree that most people ignore NATO and Ukrainian provocations, but that doesn’t mean that this isn’t just another spat between imperialist states. Supporting one side or another does nothing to help the working class people caught in the middle.

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      4 days ago

      Don’t support either side. It’s not sports. In a fight between Euro Nazis and Russian oligarchs, it’s perfectly acceptable to oppose both.

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        4 days ago

        I support the people of Ukraine who are getting attacked by Russia. Russia crossed the boarder with military force; they are clearly the aggressors.

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          4 days ago

          There’s so much crossover with the Zionist hasbara and nafo Ukraine propaganda, I gotta wonder if y’all work out if the same computer farms.

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            3 days ago

            Project much? Haha.
            Russia attacking Ukraine is nothing like Israel attacking Gaza. But yes, they’re both evil.

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              3 days ago

              The main similarity between Russia attacking Ukraine and Hamas capturing hostages October 7th is that you bots insist history started that day, and nothing happened before.

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                2 days ago

                Because you think Ukraine attacked Russia? What reality was that, because it ain’t this one.
                And I don’t think many people still support Israel’s attacking of civilians in Gaza even without considering that the Oct attacks were provoked by decades of conflict.
                Russia’s murderous attempted conquest of Ukraine is unforgivable. Just because little putin didn’t like Ukraine moving to align with the west - that doesn’t justify attacking militarily. There’s a lot of blood on putin’s hands. And it’s also on the hands of pussy Russians who don’t stand up against his atrocities .

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                  2 days ago

                  Ukraine was allowing the US & NATO to station troops and missiles at the Russian border, in violation of peace agreements. Russia tried to broker peace deals, and the west doubled down on provocations.

                  Not just Gaza civilians. Hamas also has every legal & moral right to fight against their oppressors. Israel, as the occupier, has no legal rights in the fight against Hamas.

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                    2 days ago

                    Utter bs. Russia attacked Ukraine and occupied Crimea. Of course Ukraine did what it could to defend itself. It was under attack. If putting in defensive systems is provocation, that’s only because you want to attack.
                    Well, Ukraine has the right to police Hamas. But they don’t have the right to attack civilians or even allow as much civilian damages in the act of policing Hamas as they have.
                    It’s quite simple - if you’re attacking - you’re in the wrong. Russia is in the wrong.