• Aceticon@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Not all Authoritarians are Fascists.

    That said, I would agree that whomever supports Putin, supports Fascism - there is nothing at all Leftwing in present day Russia, quite the contrary.

    China is more complicated.

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      1 year ago

      China is more complicated

      That’s because they found a way to voor communist thought to the most capitalist industry in the world.

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        1 year ago

        Well, they managed to pull about a billion people out of poverty over the last 4 decades or so, which means that mainly they were following leftwing ideals.

        (I come from a country which had actual Fascism until the 70s and what the Fascists did was the exact opposite of that: the vast majority of people were dirt poor and kept dirt poor whilst a tiny elite tightly interwined with the Fascist Government gorged themselves on the wealth of the country).

        However, it’s been some time since China did that lifting of the masses out of poverty, and they’ve been shifting to Capitalism whilst keeping the Authorianism from their implementation of leftwing policies (they called it Communism, but they never really reached such utopical state, so I’m wary of calling that Communism).

        Are they even left of center nowadays? I don’t know enough in detail how modern China operates to pass judgement on that - outside of China we mostly hear of what’s done in domains that reflect the part of their ideology that falls on the Libertarian-Authoritarian axis, not the stuff that falls on the Left-Right one.

        I don’t think they’ve yet moved all the way to Fascism, though, even if they’ve kept the Authoritarianism going.

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      1 year ago

      China isn’t more complicated

      Fascism used State Capitalism. Political parties are corporations anyway

      If someone questions their religion (like that mma guy who fought the larpers) then they lose their social credit…which leads to loss of income and property

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        1 year ago

        I do think china is a capitalist hell hole that doesn’t even have universal healthcare.

        But social credit thing is not real afaik. I personally asked several chinese people and they all laugh at it.

        They of course can and will prosecute “enemies of the state”. But social credit is not the way they tend to do it.

        Meanwhile the US literally have credit score or something like that, don’t they?

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      1 year ago

      I mean, yes, but generally you don’t find support of Palestinian genocide in leftist groups.

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          1 year ago

          Noted for future reference. In the online anglosphere, I generally find self-proclaimed leftists almost always land on the side of Palestine over Israel.

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            They are called Anti-Deutsche (anti germans) or Anti-D for short and try very hard to mimic fundamental opposition while actually supporting Germany’s foreign policy.

            Still there are even anti-D anarchists for example who want all states to fall but Israel last. Everything bad about Israel is bad about all states so why bother with Israel. It’s a rabbit hole, it’s wild. But a purely German phenomenon for reasons