• DirtSona@feddit.org
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    2 days ago

    Abuse of these things is a core feature of capitalism. How can you contradict yourself so quickly?

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        2 days ago

        Shelter is a fundamental human need, locking it behind an unnecessarily high and ever increasing pay wall is the epitome of abuse. Landlords are leeches.

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          2 days ago

          Yes it is. But you and I both said it. It is abuse of capitalism.

          I would support some idea that corporations cannot own property like single homes solely for the purpose of profit. And any single person should be heavily taxed on rental income, at least beyond a certain point.

          And let’s use eminent domain to take back those empty houses and put people in them.

          But there’s still lots of people who would prefer to rent than own.

          The problem is not landlords. And the problem is not capitalism. The problem is unfettered greed. Greed is not good, despite what Michael Douglas said in that movie.

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          2 days ago

          You gotta look at the nuance here. Yes, high and ever increasing rent is bad and it’s because of the abuse and poor regulation of the system. And traditional lords of the land is pretty bad however you slice it. But small landlords now can be providing a needed service. It’s a lot of work keeping a house rentable - even if you are ‘just’ organizing contractors, accountants, lawyers, etc.

      • DirtSona@feddit.org
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        1 day ago

        The world is not black and white. But still you will 100% keep your claim. Again. Contradict yourself in two sentences.

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          2 days ago

          Well, it’s a way to incentivize people to use their resources to provide services for others. It would be nice if people just did that on their own, but humans are generally too lazy.

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            1 day ago

            This is not capitalism, this is a market based system, which can happen to exist outside of capitalism.

            Capitalism is is the ownership of value by capital ( property of shares, housing etc… gives you benefits because you own them, not because you provided value).

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              1 day ago

              In terms of housing, if one uses their resources to build a house for others to use, they need to retain ownership of that house in order to realize any return on their investment and maintain their ongoing providing of the housing service.

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                22 hours ago

                In almost all cases, the owner does not build the house. Thats done by the masons, electricians, plumbers etc … So the owner did not create value

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                  21 hours ago

                  The owner organizes and pays the contractors do do the work. The owner buys materials. The owner makes it all happen, puts their money down. Without the owner being able to have the incentive to do all that, it doesn’t happen.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Almost there. So the “value” provided by the owner is money. It is capital. Which is needed purely because of the system in place, that was the whole point all along.