You’re going to want to be sitting down for this. I regret to inform you that two of the last five democratically elected US presidents, as well as other democratically elected leaders, have been directly implicated in a child sex trafficking operation. The other US presidents; war criminals George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joseph Robinette Biden, certainly knew about this operation but chose to do nothing, for some reason. It was an open secret among the democratic leaders of the free world and also their good friends in the gulf monarchies (which are paragons of human rights despite using slavery and being ruled by dictators, and are therefore friends rather than enemies of the democratic west.) It brings me no pleasure in having to relay this information.
Ugh, as always, the US defaultism. I’m so sick of seppo cunts always defaulting back to their infantile tribalist politics and assuming the rest of the world must behave as ridiculously as they do. The US isn’t a direct democracy, they’re a republic. It’s hardly representative of the effectiveness of democracies when the core of the democratic majority doesn’t even apply in its so-called elections.
But even if I do consider your US-defaultist reply, it doesn’t magically invalidate the distinction of democracy and dictatorships. In a democracy, leaders can be investigated, prosecuted and removed from power through democratic means. In a dictatorship, you can’t do this at all.
And hey, you may want to be sitting down for this. It brings me great pleasure to relay this information to you. Stalin enabled and tolerated the crimes of Beria, who only after Stalin’s death, was finally accused of sexual violence, abuse and sex trafficking. And it took the death of Stalin to get him executed. Is that a part of your Stalin was 70% good?
Tell me honestly, do you legitimately believe a dictatorship is superior to a democracy?
I’m not an American either, buddy. But they’re our mutual imperial overlord. You can’t just silo off Australia and Canada and Europe as the “good democracies” that are totally separate from the flawed American quasi-democracy - we’ve been following them in lockstep since the end of WW2, and only once the idiot Trump decided that soft power was gay did we even start to think about doing something different.
You have at least one former prime minister in the Epstein files, plus other politicians and businessmen. The Euros have plenty as well. This thing was an open secret and what just part of doing business. Beria was one man (I mentioned he’s part of the bad 30% btw) and he got shot pretty much immediately after Stalin died. The Epstein thing is the entire political and business elite of the western “democratic” world.
Sure, in principle democracy is obviously better than dictatorship, but what democracy? I used quotations around “democratic” because we don’t really have democracy. This goes for the rest of the western “democracies” as well as the US. Popular will has little effect on public policy, and voting just usually means selecting the bad option over the worse option. The worse option still wins about half the time. When a genuinely popular and progressive candidate comes along, the party and media machinery is sure to sabatoge them.
Chomsky (Epstein associate, but this doesn’t invalidate all of his points) wrote about this in Manufacturing Consent - the media, despite all of our nominal free speech rights, despite not being state controlled, only presents a narrow ideoloogical spectrum, acting as propaganda just as surely as the state-run media in an undemocratic country does. Chomsky argues that this is due to market forces, internalized assumptions, etc. As he said during an interview “I’m sure you believe all that, but you wouldn’t be working here if you didn’t.” Chomsky could get away with this not just because he was an anticommunist who was good friends with the ruling class’s child pimp, but because a certain level of dissent is required to maintain the illusion that free speech matters. The system is built to tolerate dissent and subtly mold public opinion and public expectations. It’s a very sophisticated and very effective method of control compared to the crude methods employed by “authoritarian” states.
But let’s put all that aside for a moment. What good is democracy when it’s democracy for a few rich countries that exploit the world’s poor majority? Even in a social democratic fantasy where we all have democracy, human rights, and strong social safey nets, we’re still just sitting at the top, extracting wealth from and oppressing the majority of the world. As Lenin said, “freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.”
You’re just dripping with hypocrisy. You’re siloing off Stalin from his atrocities, and siloing the soviet union from other dictatorships, saying they’re good. But I’m not allowed to do the same with democracy? For shame, man.
And again, the hypocrisy: Kevin Rudd being in the files (despite Epstein contacting him and Rudd refusing further contact) apparently invalidates Australian democracy – Yet Chomsky being in the files is now exempt from being invalidated.
Though I can’t really be bothered arguing with a Stalinist, so I ask, do you prefer dictatorships over democracies? Simple yes or no.
Dictators are bad because they have complete power, they can’t be removed by the populace without violent bloodshed.
You’re going to want to be sitting down for this. I regret to inform you that two of the last five democratically elected US presidents, as well as other democratically elected leaders, have been directly implicated in a child sex trafficking operation. The other US presidents; war criminals George Bush, Barack Obama, and Joseph Robinette Biden, certainly knew about this operation but chose to do nothing, for some reason. It was an open secret among the democratic leaders of the free world and also their good friends in the gulf monarchies (which are paragons of human rights despite using slavery and being ruled by dictators, and are therefore friends rather than enemies of the democratic west.) It brings me no pleasure in having to relay this information.
Ugh, as always, the US defaultism. I’m so sick of seppo cunts always defaulting back to their infantile tribalist politics and assuming the rest of the world must behave as ridiculously as they do. The US isn’t a direct democracy, they’re a republic. It’s hardly representative of the effectiveness of democracies when the core of the democratic majority doesn’t even apply in its so-called elections.
But even if I do consider your US-defaultist reply, it doesn’t magically invalidate the distinction of democracy and dictatorships. In a democracy, leaders can be investigated, prosecuted and removed from power through democratic means. In a dictatorship, you can’t do this at all.
And hey, you may want to be sitting down for this. It brings me great pleasure to relay this information to you. Stalin enabled and tolerated the crimes of Beria, who only after Stalin’s death, was finally accused of sexual violence, abuse and sex trafficking. And it took the death of Stalin to get him executed. Is that a part of your Stalin was 70% good?
Tell me honestly, do you legitimately believe a dictatorship is superior to a democracy?
I’m not an American either, buddy. But they’re our mutual imperial overlord. You can’t just silo off Australia and Canada and Europe as the “good democracies” that are totally separate from the flawed American quasi-democracy - we’ve been following them in lockstep since the end of WW2, and only once the idiot Trump decided that soft power was gay did we even start to think about doing something different.
You have at least one former prime minister in the Epstein files, plus other politicians and businessmen. The Euros have plenty as well. This thing was an open secret and what just part of doing business. Beria was one man (I mentioned he’s part of the bad 30% btw) and he got shot pretty much immediately after Stalin died. The Epstein thing is the entire political and business elite of the western “democratic” world.
Sure, in principle democracy is obviously better than dictatorship, but what democracy? I used quotations around “democratic” because we don’t really have democracy. This goes for the rest of the western “democracies” as well as the US. Popular will has little effect on public policy, and voting just usually means selecting the bad option over the worse option. The worse option still wins about half the time. When a genuinely popular and progressive candidate comes along, the party and media machinery is sure to sabatoge them.
Chomsky (Epstein associate, but this doesn’t invalidate all of his points) wrote about this in Manufacturing Consent - the media, despite all of our nominal free speech rights, despite not being state controlled, only presents a narrow ideoloogical spectrum, acting as propaganda just as surely as the state-run media in an undemocratic country does. Chomsky argues that this is due to market forces, internalized assumptions, etc. As he said during an interview “I’m sure you believe all that, but you wouldn’t be working here if you didn’t.” Chomsky could get away with this not just because he was an anticommunist who was good friends with the ruling class’s child pimp, but because a certain level of dissent is required to maintain the illusion that free speech matters. The system is built to tolerate dissent and subtly mold public opinion and public expectations. It’s a very sophisticated and very effective method of control compared to the crude methods employed by “authoritarian” states.
But let’s put all that aside for a moment. What good is democracy when it’s democracy for a few rich countries that exploit the world’s poor majority? Even in a social democratic fantasy where we all have democracy, human rights, and strong social safey nets, we’re still just sitting at the top, extracting wealth from and oppressing the majority of the world. As Lenin said, “freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.”
You’re just dripping with hypocrisy. You’re siloing off Stalin from his atrocities, and siloing the soviet union from other dictatorships, saying they’re good. But I’m not allowed to do the same with democracy? For shame, man.
And again, the hypocrisy: Kevin Rudd being in the files (despite Epstein contacting him and Rudd refusing further contact) apparently invalidates Australian democracy – Yet Chomsky being in the files is now exempt from being invalidated.
Though I can’t really be bothered arguing with a Stalinist, so I ask, do you prefer dictatorships over democracies? Simple yes or no.