To anyone who supports capitalism or otherwise opposes socialism:

Do you support the idea that one man can accumulate enough wealth to own all land of this Earth, making everyone born in his empire under his rule as long as he can kill to defend it? What prevents capitalism from accomplishing this in law? What law exists that limits the borders of nations?

Why, then, must we endure a system where a single man owning the Earth and enslave it is a feature, not a bug?

https://dice.camp/@sean/114698774200264413

I just wanna know what people think. Why must this be maintained? Why is any opposition to capping wealth just the end of the world when it probably would save it, just logically thinking it through?

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    People using violence to gather resources and power to themselves has always been the state of humanity. Capitalism is just a present day version of that.

    Power is never relinquished willingly. Only through the threat of violence, or by actual violence.

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        Let’s put it this way:

        If someone held a gun to your head and told you to shut the fuck up, you would shut the fuck up.

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            You could be the “someone” being referred to. In the case you are not, nothing I said excludes you from participating.

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              if we both pointed guns at each others head, he would be pointing a gun at my head like you stated, but I’d also be pointing a gun at his. Why would either of us shut up in this equally threatening situation where neither are obviously in control? This is literally MAD theory btw. You are arguing countries with nukes would rather nuke each other than talk it out if you think two humans would rather kill each other over whatever made up scenario you invented to make your point on violence than try to resolve it without dying. I’m sorry, but people don’t just kill because they’re hungry. They’ll beg first. They’ll steal. Murder is often a last resort man, and any case that you may dream of, I’m sorry but capitalism isn’t a better solution to it any more than an honest attempt at democratic socialism.

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          This has happened to me before. I did not shut the fuck up.

          I dunno if i would today. Small calibur? Probably. Large calibur? No clue.

          How does that apply, though?

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            Sure, tough guy, because caliber matters.

            There have always been people who are willing to use violence (or the real theat of violence) to collect resources and power. Always. Many of those people throughout history have wielded huge amounts of power over large numbers of people, because most people reject violence. And once violent people have extended their power enough, they don’t have to do the violence anymore, because the threat is so deeply ingrained.

            So, if someone held a gun to your head and told you to shut the fuck up, you would shut the fuck up, either because you ceded control to the violent person, or because you were dead. Any other result means that it was an empty threat. Violence, or the real threat of violence works. It always works, and the only way to defeat it is greater violence turned on that aggressor.

            This is why the people “in charge” are usually horrible, awful, exploitative people. Because being horrible, awful, and exploitative is necessary to concentrate power. The United States is a propsperous nation because Europeans showed up and stole most of a continent from the dwindling number of people who already lived there, after having been mostly killed off by disease, much of the rest being finished off by - wait for it - state-sponsored violence.

            Right or wrong, the people who are willing to use violence as a means to their ends succeed.