Hey guys one of the things I miss about reddit is communities like r/Conservative or r/conspiracy, not because I agree with really anything they say there, but because it’s a challenge for me.
It’s really easy to say “no you’re dumb and wrong”, but I like going down rabbit holes so I will take the bat shit insane stuff they say and find actual sources to refute them. I know it won’t actually change any minds but it’s fun for me.
I know theres @conservative@lemm.ee but that is basically just non-conservatives making fun of conservatives. And I have not been able to find any good conspiracy theory communities on Lemmy at all.
Any advice?
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Lemmy is the tolerance paradox in action.
If you want societaly disenfranchised people to have a voice, you need to silence those who can use their voice to silence them.
You can also use the nazi bar story to explain why there are no conservatives on lemmy. I know not all conservatives are nazis but there you have the bad apples phenomenon to counter. Just a little mysoginism, sexism, racism, is already too much.
You can try Xitter.
Ha, good luck. They don’t care about facts. There’s some 2 dozen accounts run by maybe 2 or 3 people tops and they’re not really accepting outside input.
Yeah I’m aware, it’s more of an exercise in research for me. They send me down some crazy rabbit holes and it’s just super interesting a lot of the time.
The only thing I find them useful for is testing my patience.
There are probably plenty of right wing instances you’re not federated with, but now that mainstream social media has been overtlu taken over by fascists there’s not as much reason for it. When I first heard of Lemmy I remember there were a shit ton of far fight instances because that’s who was getting kicked off of reddit back then. Now, though, the owner of Twitter is straight up doing seig heils in front of crowds and you can get banned on reddit if you criticize him too much. So if you’re a conservative, why would you bother using a weird open source platform like Lemmy when the big dogs are all in complete agreement with your beliefs and all your heroes are on those platforms, especially when your ideology is based on hero worship?
TL;DR if you’re a right winger you’re just on the mainstream platforms or on an explicitly right wing alternative like Truth Social
There’s probably some, but keep in mind that your instance has to be federated with them and lemmy.world generally defederates a lot of the more extreme instances (plus a few benign but potentially illegal instances, since the admins don’t want legal trouble.)
That said, Lemmy historically is rather extreme “left” (if you can call it that lol) so much so that the .ml of lemmy.ml stands for Marxist-Leninst. That starting point kinda makes the rest of us the conservatives of the community.
If you want to feel challenged, look into who we defederate from. Hexbear, lemmygrad, beehaw, etc. I’m sure those rabbit holes will be new to you, although heaven help you lol
That starting point kinda makes the rest of us the conservatives of the community.
It makes the rest of us the liberals, certainly. But a lot of the turf battles between .world and .ml tend to be on US political orthodoxy running up against any other country’s reported histories. People getting sucked back into the argument over whether the Hungarian Revolt of 1956 was worth defending, for instance, is the baseline for what defines a “Tankie” (evil Khruschevist authoritarian villains) versus “A rational centrist” (not all CIA-backed color revolutions are bad, people!)
So it’s less a question of right versus left and more a question of nationalism versus internationalism.
If you want to feel challenged, look into who we defederate from.
One of the benefits of .world is that admins generally don’t bother outright banning anyone for their political views, even when they’re taken as “extreme”. You can head over to these other sites, but don’t expect to post very long before you’re given the boot.
Admittedly, Reddit’s political subs were much the same. Easiest thing in the world is to say something on a political sub of any flavor that will get you banned, whether its /r/progressive or /r/libertarian. If that’s the kind of sub someone is looking for…
But I don’t really see them as challenging so much as insular. Structurally closed communities where appealing to the whims of the moderators is more important than any actual ideological tenant.
They have all been chased off or banned mostly in response to and protection of this refuge for diversity.
How ironic that you have been banned here though.
I might be able to show you, but what do you mean by conservative?
Not OP, but interested in right-leaning communities that aren’t pants-on-head insane, just like I am interested in left-leaning communities with a similar constraint. /r/conservative generally isn’t bad (I find they tend to be a LOT more level headed than /r/politics, for example) but things like /r/the_donald or whatever it was called is way too out there for my tastes.
But what do you mean by “conservative”?! White nationalist? Pro capitalist? Neoliberal?
None of the above really; I’d consider those more far-right and not at all interested in. I’m talking about people aligned with ideas like smaller government, government accountability (particularly with respect to spending), the combination of personal responsibility and freedoms, etc.
Conservative politics hasn’t meant any of that for a very long time. I think you need to find a new term to use if you want to be able to not have to explain this every time you ask for conservative communities to hang around in.
Also, none of that is necessarily right leaning (anarchy covers very similar ground, but obviously for extremely different reasons), so it doesn’t entirely answer the question of what kind of right leaning you are looking for.
There’s a new one started just yesterday: !conservative2@lemmy.today
