• Seth Taylor@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    edit-2
    9 hours ago

    Communism is the honeydew of left-wing ideologies. Stop trying to work it into every post about free healthcare, income inequality, human rights and so on. Stop trying to normalize. It’s literally banned in multiple countries for legitimate reasons. It’s been used to oppress millions of people. If you support it you clearly don’t understand it. And people who put it next to socialism are clearly trying to smear socialism. Seriously.

    Socialism and communism are not the same thing and American right wingers in particular keep trying to make it look like they are because it helps them win elections. Trump’s new thing is “Democrats are communists”. Think about it. He’s calling democratic socialists communists. Grasp the nuance and use it to your advantage. Stop upvoting this type of stuff. You’re digging yourselves into a hole.

    Anyway… I wish I could be telling this to OP, but that is a Twitter screenshot there, I think, and I sure as fuck am not going there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAKQ5Crers

    EDIT: I just remembered this. 2020. Not too recent, not too old. https://politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/scott-walker/no-bernie-sanders-not-communist/

    EDIT 2: Gonna go ahead and block this group. Anything to do with “workers’ rights” around here is braindead dictator worshippers

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      19 hours ago

      Communism is the goal of socialism. The original democratic socialists, people like Eduard Bernstein, called it that because the idea was that communism could be achieved through gradually reforming existing political systems. It became more and more obvious that this was just a pretense for opportunism, with things like the betrayal of the Second International and the demsoc support of WWI, and now we’re at a point where the pretense is often dropped entirely, or forgotten altogether.

      It’s been used to oppress millions of people.

      Communism has never been used to oppress anyone because it’s never existed as a system (not counting primitive communism). There have only been socialist states that claim to be working towards communism. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was not called The Union of Soviet Communist Republics.

      “Bernie Sanders is not a Marxist” or “not a Marxist-Leninist” would be the correct way to say it.

      • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        13 hours ago

        Also, it hasn’t been used to oppress millions of people because it straight up hasn’t. The history of socialism that Americans and other Westerners have been taught is filled with lies, exaggerations, and missing context.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      18 hours ago

      from an American perspective, anyone suggesting communism is saying with their entire chest “Why don’t Americans opt for a system of economics and government that fell to despotic dictatorship decades faster than the system they’ve got?”