US chicken companies pioneered restricting sleep to keep birds eating around the clock.
A new study (Li et al., 2026) recommends giving chickens just 2 hours of darkness nightly to maximize the time they spend eating. The study and photo are Chinese.
We know chickens have far better hapiness with 7–8 hours of darkness to sleep.
But they eat more and grow faster when they are sleep deprived.
Another post comes out highlighting yet one more of the enumerable ways we humans absolutely ruin the lives of other animals. Like clockwork, the few people who actually take the simple, reasonable steps to approach a better way of life get dogpiled by all the others who have their bag of holding ready with every stale excuse and outright lies about veganism to continue the status quo.
We are in a thread about one form of cruelty towards chickens - only one small part of an entire supply chain of fucked up that is going on right now more than ever - which would probably lead to a whole multiple weeks of news and outrage and lawsuits if it was done to humans.
And you decided that your goal was going to be to come in here and automatically decenter the conversation away from the animals because you wanted to argue with vegans?
Listen, whatever your self identity is, if you are doing what you can to stop supporting these things, that’s awesome I’m proud of you. I do not care about identity politics, especially when it gets into the No True Scottsman obnoxiousness. If you are doing what you can, with what you have, that is good enough for now. And I hope you’re able to feel inspired to push things further.
But if your whole thing is to just come into these posts to argue with vegans, first of all, get a real job. Second, look, I don’t care to frame things around whether someone is good or bad. We all just do things, and there are consequences for those things for better or worse. This isn’t about vegans, this is about literally every species of animal on the planet, both including and excluding us.
Every time we pay for an animal product, we are complicit in all the things being done to both humans and other animals to get that product. That is the cold hard reality. That is never going to go away unless we all collectively change.
fairly certain that this post has nothing to do with vegans and everything to do with chickens.
I don’t come here to argue with vegans. Vegans come to these posts of their own volition. If anything I’m a huge supporter of free-range vegans that feel it necessary, nay, compelled to argue of their own accord.
I’m just here as an innocent bystander, eating my tendies and being unfairly judged by vegans through their smug sense of moral superiority. no different than the christofascists that tell nonbelievers that they will burn in hell for all eternity for not accepting jesus christ as lord.
ironically, vegans have another thing in common with christofascists. Having a victim simplex so powerful they tend to make the actual problem about themselves. here’s a post about mistreatment of chickens, and yet many users like yourself have made it about how poorly people treat vegans.
shame on you!
Wow, how long did it take you to type all this? I must have really struck a nerve when I called you out for being a psycho. Maybe consider not doing that, and you’re really not helping your case here.
see, there you go making it about you again. you have a strong persecution complex, you should consider seeking help with that.
I mean, it goes both ways. There’s a dude talking about how there are humane farms that don’t abuse animals, every reply is a comment from a vegan on how such a thing is impossible.
So dude is talking about simple and reasonable steps to a better way of life, and it’s the vegans dog piling.
There’s truth to your argument in a vacuum, but like they say, there is no humane way to butcher an animal. Ultimately they go to the same slaughterhouses, which if you go to the link I commented, are awful places for both the animals being slaughtered, and the people who routinely develop ptsd and are often in circumstances where they are all but forced to work at such places.
Plus there’s a reason factory farms are the way they are: that’s what’s necessary to keep up with the demand for animal products. So-called “happy farms” are not scalable.
It’s really not an improvement at all.
You’ve moved from simple reasonable steps to wanting an overnight lifestyle change.
Local farms with local butchers are leaps and bounds better than factory farming. If we can agree on that, what is the problem with someone moving to utilizing those services if that is as far as they are willing to go at the start?
It sounds like you mean well, but I’ll try to break down the problems with your reasoning here.
Not necessarily. What I condone is progress. If somebody says, “I can’t go vegan yet, but I’m going to go a few days a week without eating meat”, or maybe, “I think I need to start by going vegetarian,” then those are things I support. They demonstrate an active reduction in the quantity of animal products consumed, as well as the intent for further reductions in the future. Ideally this hypothetical person would have a fully animal-product free lifestyle as their goal.
I’ve been trying to think of an appropriate analogy, and I think I’ve got one. Rightwing Libertarians like to claim they support environmentalism, but if you look into the particulars of their platform, what they support is an overall expansion of fossil infrastructure, claiming that building new systems and upgrading old ones improves efficiency, and therefore these investments are good for the environment.
But it should be needless to say at this point that we have to get off of fossil fuel dependence, and make a real renewables transition. The former ultimately just deepens dependence on unsustainable systems and reinforces old habits.
It is the same pattern with so-called “happy farms.” To begin with, whenever these farms are actually investigated - abuses are still very much rampant. You can see an example of this in the documentary, Pignorant, by the well-known Youtuber Joey Carbstrong. Even if you’re not vegan, I highly recommend watching it cause it’s a great documentary and a riveting example of independent, undercover gonzo-style journalism.
I would also recommend watching the documentary Cowspiracy, because that one goes into depth on how the so-called “regenerative pasture farms”, which tend to overlap with happy farms, are actually not only completely infeasible in terms of scalability, but are probably overall worse for the environment due to the sheer land use that would be needed for them in a world where animal ag land use is already insane and unsustainable.
What needs to be understood here is that in actuality there is nothing extreme about being vegan. It’s not a purity thing. It’s not “unbalanced”. It’s not any more at risk of nutritional deficiencies as any other diet if you do it right (in a nutshell, legumes, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables in equal measure, plus a b12 supplement is a solid foundation for the majority of people, and customizations can be made for other needs. The Daily Dozen is also a good foundation).
The hard part is just overcoming old habits, and breaking out of the sheer societal pressure and gaslighting to think you need to eat animal products. Once a plant-based lifestyle is firmly established, it doesn’t feel hard at all. In fact it makes a lot of things easier and feels outright liberating. For one simple example - not having to deal with raw mutilated body parts contaminating literally everything they touch anymore. I would go so far as to say plant-based cooking is easier and more convenient overall.
When you put everything together into the bigger picture - the moral horror that is inherent to treating other sentient beings and their secretions as commodities, the utterly devastating and unsustainable environmental impacts that result from it, the continuous and unavoidable pandemics that result from it, and even the impacts on personal health which include most of the western world’s biggest killers - it is not at all extreme to be vegan; it’s the dependence on animal agriculture that is truly extreme in the highest. It only requires removing the source of your conflict of interest to make that fact obvious.
The vegan life is the dietary and lifestyle equivalent of the energy transition. It needs to happen, and it is only the steps that lead in that direction that should be celebrated.