Yes it is, I have had an argument several times with .ml folks who articulated that voting legitimised the system making you culpable for its shortcomings.
Very common around election season, I think the first time I heard it was actually last midterm in 2022.
Hell there are 3 comments on this post saying don’t vote. There’s no ambiguity they aren’t saying voting isn’t enough, in no uncertain terms they are saying don’t vote.
Is there an argument to be made that the ratcheting mechanisms of FPTP skew the results towards the lesser of two evils? Absolutely, especially at the presidential level.
Where that is less true is the midterms and municipal elections. We’ve seen proof that we can have real progressives like Mamdani and we need even more like Abdul El-Sayed. Progressive policy is popular and any movement needs allies.
I’m not saying don’t protest, I’m not even going to say do it peacefully but voting still has it’s place.
Yes, but I don’t know which ones you’re referring to so in order to have a productive conversation I need to know specifically what you’re referring to.
This is not the first time I’ve seen this conversation play out like this.
Liberal: Leftists believes crazy thing!
Leftist: Can you give us examples of “crazy thing”?
Liberals: No, I cannot.
Or in the rare instance where the liberal does actually cite a source, the source isn’t saying what the liberal is saying they said.
I will continue to believing this is self-soothing delusion by liberals until they can provide some evidence for their claims.
Like, What you’re saying is so grossly untrue you don’t even want to take an opportunity to cherry pick someone saying something not broadly supported by leftists?
It’s just that I offered you the same proof you ordered me, none, which is fine, we are sharing lived experience on social media.
However, It comes off arrogant, almost as if you’re saying “my reality is objectively correct and everyone else’s is delusional unless they take time out of their life to write me a dissertation.”
Believe me or don’t but you need to practice what you preach
Great! I believe you when you say you don’t consider yourself a liberal and I respect that. As not a “liberal” I would think you understand how its pretty annoying to constantly see your beliefs being misrepresented on this forum.
In that spirit I think it’s a pretty low bar to copy and paste a link to your source for why you believe what you say you believe. You’ve written several paragraphs, that’s already much more effort than what I’ve asked.
Edit: I will add to this whether or not you consider yourself to be a liberal, you are taking the liberal position.
Yes it is, I have had an argument several times with .ml folks who articulated that voting legitimised the system making you culpable for its shortcomings.
Very common around election season, I think the first time I heard it was actually last midterm in 2022.
Hell there are 3 comments on this post saying don’t vote. There’s no ambiguity they aren’t saying voting isn’t enough, in no uncertain terms they are saying don’t vote.
Is there an argument to be made that the ratcheting mechanisms of FPTP skew the results towards the lesser of two evils? Absolutely, especially at the presidential level.
Where that is less true is the midterms and municipal elections. We’ve seen proof that we can have real progressives like Mamdani and we need even more like Abdul El-Sayed. Progressive policy is popular and any movement needs allies.
I’m not saying don’t protest, I’m not even going to say do it peacefully but voting still has it’s place.
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Please cite your examples.
No, thank you, you are very capable of reading through this very low comment post to find them. I’m not going to litigate reality with you.
Yes, but I don’t know which ones you’re referring to so in order to have a productive conversation I need to know specifically what you’re referring to.
This is not the first time I’ve seen this conversation play out like this.
Or in the rare instance where the liberal does actually cite a source, the source isn’t saying what the liberal is saying they said.
I will continue to believing this is self-soothing delusion by liberals until they can provide some evidence for their claims.
Like, What you’re saying is so grossly untrue you don’t even want to take an opportunity to cherry pick someone saying something not broadly supported by leftists?
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You think needing to provide evidence for your claims is satire? It seems like a pretty basic thing to ask someone.
It’s just that I offered you the same proof you ordered me, none, which is fine, we are sharing lived experience on social media.
However, It comes off arrogant, almost as if you’re saying “my reality is objectively correct and everyone else’s is delusional unless they take time out of their life to write me a dissertation.”
Believe me or don’t but you need to practice what you preach
Great! I believe you when you say you don’t consider yourself a liberal and I respect that. As not a “liberal” I would think you understand how its pretty annoying to constantly see your beliefs being misrepresented on this forum.
In that spirit I think it’s a pretty low bar to copy and paste a link to your source for why you believe what you say you believe. You’ve written several paragraphs, that’s already much more effort than what I’ve asked.
Edit: I will add to this whether or not you consider yourself to be a liberal, you are taking the liberal position.
It’s a liberal position to express that people have argued with me about whether voting makes you culpable or not?
I did not misrepresent your beliefs because I never once tried to say that you hold those beliefs.
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