Everything meaningful we will do will be labeled as “violence”. The point is that the things that will not be labeled as “violence” will be meaningless.
“Violence is when I can’t get on with my life and ignore everything bad that has been happening quietly”
Like, Euromaidan here was definitely what most would label as “violence”. It’s also how the place I live in is still not a part of the imperialist shithole that is russia.
Euromaidan was peaceful until the anti-protest measures were used by law enforcement, the Berkut deployed to violently disperse them, at the request of the then failing government. It started with 1,500 and after the crackdown grew to hundreds of thousands. After multiple weeks news of riots began to spread, but much of it can be attributed to Russian propoganda trying to lable the movement as xenophobic and hateful.
Abolition actually started with legislation which caused a violent uprising from the fucking Confederacy
Wrong. You are not just wrong, but you are violently racist.
Abolition started with slaves freeing themselves. Nat Turner. Harriet Tubman. Without people like that, the Civil War would have never happened, slavery would have never ended.
John Brown was inspired by Nat Turner, and he literally worked hand-in-hand with Harriet Tubman, who seriously considered joining him in his violent raid on Harper’s Ferry. John Brown went on illegal (and violent) raids into the south to free slaves and then illegally transport them to Canada. John Brown murdered pro-slavery men in retaliation for their murders of abolitionists in Kansas. Do you think what John Brown did was wrong? Do you think arresting and executing John Brown was a good thing? Do you think Sherman’s march to the sea and the violence he committed against southerners is a bad thing?
I don’t expect you to have the correct response, because you are a violently racist, anti-black person. You honestly believe that rich white dudes sitting in a room writing some words on a piece of paper had a bigger effect on ending slavery than black people who actually put their lives and bodies on the line to free themselves (displaying your internalized white supremacy).
Please educate yourself. Start by reading The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America by the fantastic author Gerald Horne. Or maybe you’re too afraid to read this book, because it’s not written by a “safe” old dead liberal white man.
Are you asking me to respond? If a guy who promotes countries that practice ethnic cleansing today is frothing at the mouth calling me a racist then I must be a real monster for
*checks notes
Accurately recounting that the Confederates started the war over slavery.
I think they might have mumblemouthed it but you bastards have decided among yourselves that their mispoken statement cannot merely represent an ignorant and misinformed read of history but an intentionally violently racist viewpoint. The screenshotted user was I warrant correct in their historical analysis and absolutely fucking wrong to put words in the thread-OPs mouth, as if earnestly trying to alienate instead of persuade or fact check a damn thing.
Like yeah, abolition wouldn’t have happened without black people, from freedmen writers to rebelling chattel slaves, advocated for themselves. All the well meaning white people (on average rarer then anyway) wouldn’t have meant much without black people wanting to be free and making it known.
Why would you go out of your way to read a person’s response in the worst possible way? Maybe I’m just a fukken airhead but I didn’t see any dogwhistle that justified how you lot are speaking to them. You simply decided to tar and feather the fucker for being kind of wrong about labor history. Then you springboarded into a merciless bed of assumptions.
oh, cry me a fucking river. people in multiple threads have tried to educate him, and he’s more interested in being a racist piece of shit liberal. if you don’t like that then you and he can stop coming to leftist comms to try and dictate how we speak to people who are ideologically opposed to our existence. the fucking audacity of this caucasity .
“The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man.” — Malcolm X
Banjo deserves to be mocked as they have had years to learn better. But instead they double down on support of the Diet Fascism party.
He’s a racist piece of shit who thinks brown people deserve to be mistreated when they break any law, no matter how stupid or purposely racist they are.
that’s just seasoning our speech, you twatwaffle. this isn’t .world, we don’t buy that CiViLiTy bullshit here. if you want to be a disgusting racist pile of shit, we’re going to treat you like the filth you are and viciously mock you. you keep coming here, so you obviously like it as much as we do.
Genuine question, what makes you think dbzer0/this community is tankie? We’re anarchists, not Marxists and we get into tons of fighting with Hexbear/ml too.
I saw that in another comment of yours in this thread but nevertheless.
They think anyone that would dare disagree with them are either republicans or tankies. Especially when it’s involving pointing out flaws in their logic or something they have no idea about. Like for example how ACA is just Romneycare, which is why gop have no replacement for it
_cryptagion happily self identified as one, I’ve also been informed Hexbear is commenting on this post, and it hosts such communities as Libjerk which is Tankies’ defensive reaction to Tankiejerk. You’ll see tons of overlap between openly Tankie rhetoric on ML and Hexbear to here, if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you’ll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
You claim the two instances fight, but the votes tallies show a different story.
at no point have I ever identified as a tankie. I mod the db0 Tankiejerk comm. I am also banned from Hexbear and ML.
you are just too uneducated to understand that liberals are not leftists, and that there are more than one kind of leftist. the reason your brain cannot fathom this is because there is only one kind of liberal. a conservative one. which is why your party continues to this day to reach “across the aisle” to vote with literal fascists.
I’ve also been informed Hexbear is commenting on this post
Yes, that’s how federation works. Feddit.uk isn’t tankie for federating with hexbear either, so idk what the point here is.
and it hosts such communities as Libjerk which is Tankies’ defensive reaction to Tankiejerk
A) you realize we have our own tankie jerk community on dbzer0, modded by _cryptagion? That’s why I’m hesitant to believe crypt claimed himself to be a tankie.
B) leftists are opposed to liberalism, it makes sense why this would exist.
You’ll see tons of overlap between openly Tankie rhetoric on ML and Hexbear to here
Such as? I’m genuinely curious.
if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you’ll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
I’m gonna need a link to that, chief.
By the way, what vote tally? You mean upvotes/downvotes? If so, they’re not even displaying tankie rhetoric here, just basic stuff that many leftists, even anti-tankie ones, agree with.
if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you’ll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
Proof?
You claim the two instances fight, but the votes tallies show a different story.
If you ignore all the times Hexbear brigades us for calling out Stalin and Mao, and mock us for not wanting to support an authoritarian capitalist nation pretending to be socialist, then maybe.
yes, meaningful changes towards fascism…
Progressive change has always had to face violent reactions. From abolition to the 40-hour workday, to child labour, to civil rights, to LGBT rights
I’m real glad we got those 40-hour workdays, 8 hours just wasn’t enough! 😄
lol, I meant to say workweeks :D
Abolition actually started with legislation which caused a violent uprising from the fucking Confederacy. Thats who you align yourself with?
You’re so close to getting it…
Now guess who starts the violence in all other instances of progressive radical change. Hint: It’s not the ones making the change.
Then why are you promoting starting the viokence!?
Everything meaningful we will do will be labeled as “violence”. The point is that the things that will not be labeled as “violence” will be meaningless.
“Violence is when I can’t get on with my life and ignore everything bad that has been happening quietly”
Like, Euromaidan here was definitely what most would label as “violence”. It’s also how the place I live in is still not a part of the imperialist shithole that is russia.
Euromaidan was peaceful until the anti-protest measures were used by law enforcement, the Berkut deployed to violently disperse them, at the request of the then failing government. It started with 1,500 and after the crackdown grew to hundreds of thousands. After multiple weeks news of riots began to spread, but much of it can be attributed to Russian propoganda trying to lable the movement as xenophobic and hateful.
Wrong. You are not just wrong, but you are violently racist.
Abolition started with slaves freeing themselves. Nat Turner. Harriet Tubman. Without people like that, the Civil War would have never happened, slavery would have never ended.
John Brown was inspired by Nat Turner, and he literally worked hand-in-hand with Harriet Tubman, who seriously considered joining him in his violent raid on Harper’s Ferry. John Brown went on illegal (and violent) raids into the south to free slaves and then illegally transport them to Canada. John Brown murdered pro-slavery men in retaliation for their murders of abolitionists in Kansas. Do you think what John Brown did was wrong? Do you think arresting and executing John Brown was a good thing? Do you think Sherman’s march to the sea and the violence he committed against southerners is a bad thing?
I don’t expect you to have the correct response, because you are a violently racist, anti-black person. You honestly believe that rich white dudes sitting in a room writing some words on a piece of paper had a bigger effect on ending slavery than black people who actually put their lives and bodies on the line to free themselves (displaying your internalized white supremacy).
Please educate yourself. Start by reading The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America by the fantastic author Gerald Horne. Or maybe you’re too afraid to read this book, because it’s not written by a “safe” old dead liberal white man.
since you can’t see Hexbear replies, here’s one from @kurtvonnegut@hexbear.net.
Are you asking me to respond? If a guy who promotes countries that practice ethnic cleansing today is frothing at the mouth calling me a racist then I must be a real monster for
*checks notes
Accurately recounting that the Confederates started the war over slavery.
No, I just want you to be able to see how stupid everyone thinks you are.
I think they might have mumblemouthed it but you bastards have decided among yourselves that their mispoken statement cannot merely represent an ignorant and misinformed read of history but an intentionally violently racist viewpoint. The screenshotted user was I warrant correct in their historical analysis and absolutely fucking wrong to put words in the thread-OPs mouth, as if earnestly trying to alienate instead of persuade or fact check a damn thing.
Like yeah, abolition wouldn’t have happened without black people, from freedmen writers to rebelling chattel slaves, advocated for themselves. All the well meaning white people (on average rarer then anyway) wouldn’t have meant much without black people wanting to be free and making it known.
Why would you go out of your way to read a person’s response in the worst possible way? Maybe I’m just a fukken airhead but I didn’t see any dogwhistle that justified how you lot are speaking to them. You simply decided to tar and feather the fucker for being kind of wrong about labor history. Then you springboarded into a merciless bed of assumptions.
oh, cry me a fucking river. people in multiple threads have tried to educate him, and he’s more interested in being a racist piece of shit liberal. if you don’t like that then you and he can stop coming to leftist comms to try and dictate how we speak to people who are ideologically opposed to our existence. the fucking audacity of this caucasity .
Banjo deserves to be mocked as they have had years to learn better. But instead they double down on support of the Diet Fascism party.
He’s a racist piece of shit who thinks brown people deserve to be mistreated when they break any law, no matter how stupid or purposely racist they are.
The more Tankies I upset the better.
You’re not upsetting anyone, we’re all having a lot of fun.
Lots of expletives getting thrown around by you dudes, lmao
that’s just seasoning our speech, you twatwaffle. this isn’t .world, we don’t buy that CiViLiTy bullshit here. if you want to be a disgusting racist pile of shit, we’re going to treat you like the filth you are and viciously mock you. you keep coming here, so you obviously like it as much as we do.
Maybe stop being a racist piece of shit and we’ll treat you better ✨
You’re less of a troll and more of a clown we keep for amusement.
Genuine question, what makes you think dbzer0/this community is tankie? We’re anarchists, not Marxists and we get into tons of fighting with Hexbear/ml too.
I saw that in another comment of yours in this thread but nevertheless.
They think anyone that would dare disagree with them are either republicans or tankies. Especially when it’s involving pointing out flaws in their logic or something they have no idea about. Like for example how ACA is just Romneycare, which is why gop have no replacement for it
_cryptagion happily self identified as one, I’ve also been informed Hexbear is commenting on this post, and it hosts such communities as Libjerk which is Tankies’ defensive reaction to Tankiejerk. You’ll see tons of overlap between openly Tankie rhetoric on ML and Hexbear to here, if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you’ll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
You claim the two instances fight, but the votes tallies show a different story.
at no point have I ever identified as a tankie. I mod the db0 Tankiejerk comm. I am also banned from Hexbear and ML.
you are just too uneducated to understand that liberals are not leftists, and that there are more than one kind of leftist. the reason your brain cannot fathom this is because there is only one kind of liberal. a conservative one. which is why your party continues to this day to reach “across the aisle” to vote with literal fascists.
I’ve never seen this. Can you provide a link?
Yes, that’s how federation works. Feddit.uk isn’t tankie for federating with hexbear either, so idk what the point here is.
A) you realize we have our own tankie jerk community on dbzer0, modded by _cryptagion? That’s why I’m hesitant to believe crypt claimed himself to be a tankie.
B) leftists are opposed to liberalism, it makes sense why this would exist.
Such as? I’m genuinely curious.
I’m gonna need a link to that, chief.
By the way, what vote tally? You mean upvotes/downvotes? If so, they’re not even displaying tankie rhetoric here, just basic stuff that many leftists, even anti-tankie ones, agree with.
Proof?
If you ignore all the times Hexbear brigades us for calling out Stalin and Mao, and mock us for not wanting to support an authoritarian capitalist nation pretending to be socialist, then maybe.
if you want to upset tankies you are wrong here, those are on the other side of town in authoritarian direction.