Seeing someone “vaguelly left” unironically defending the extrajudicial murder of Rosa fucking Luxembourg was not in my bingo card.
Note that even Germany itself celebrates Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht
Seeing someone “vaguelly left” unironically defending the extrajudicial murder of Rosa fucking Luxembourg was not in my bingo card.
Note that even Germany itself celebrates Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht
That final sentence really made me laugh. Thank you. You have such a fun way of talking. I really like how frequently you use ellipses to give pauses. They really work.
I’m not that serious about religion. I wasn’t raised religious and have spent most of my life not really thinking about it. The anarchy as religion think is more just playing with thoughts. Approach ideas from angles that aren’t usual and see what you come up with.
Thinking about it more I think the main reason why I’ve started trusting more in anarchism as a faith than a process is that I live in an environment where anarchist thought really isn’t spread. I’m pretty isolated and so it’s hard to trust in it as something real because I don’t see it anywhere but through the computer. I guess Isolation really is the cause of faith.
But thinking about it further what I consider faith is really not baseless. As it is just “anarchy can exist if people try hard enough”. And that’s not baseless. pre-archy1 was pretty much the same as anarchy and many anarchist project have been incredibly successful. But does that mean that it’s not faith and rather a rational belief? And is that difference really that important when most of humanity would say that anarchy is naive and impossible? Making it seem like the belief that people can work together without oppressing each other is just blind faith.
1: All of the societies that existed before being invaded by a “civilisation”.
At the end of the day what is and isn’t rational is entirely based on the information you have available to you. I imagine there were times that prospect of democracy seemed like blind faith.
And I have no concerns about your beliefs. They seem really solid and nice. I’m just here to discuss a topic I’ve thought about recently.
oh also: “No Gods, No Kings, No Masters, No chains except the ones we choose ourselves.”
Sorry for taking a bit to get back to you in this… brain can only handle so much in a day, as can my broken body that has been doing basically only physical therapy for the last… 6? 9 months?
fucking yeeehaw…
Anyway:
Ok, it seems I have overestimated your religiosity, apologies for that, absolutely self-projection from my own experience there.
I come from a right wing, fundie family, and… basically had to deconstruct and reject all of it to be able to … move forward as an actually sentient and self-aware person, is how I would describe it, haha.
You sound like you have a … much less intense and extreme background with the concept of faith than I do, and that we do seem to have somewhat different conceptions of related concepts and terms.
As you describe it in this latest comment… yeah, that sounds reasonable, healthy, non delusional.
I don’t think I can find real fault with anything you’ve said here, which is a cumbersome way of saying I agree, hahaha!
Also, yes, I do not mean to be overly confrontational, I mean to have a constructive conversation where we can both learn =D
After all, as you say… beliefs derive from one’s knowledge and lived experiences, and I am happy that this convo has been one of those experiences.
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I will freely admit I am literally traumatized from my own past… but I would also say that this is the case for a whole lot more people in the US, anarchist or not, than a lot of non US people seem to realize.
We really are just Ya’ll Qaeda over here, it is apparently just difficult for those who haven’t lived it to concieve of it.
I don’t mean that as an insult to your intelligence or anything like that, I just consistently find that … it is simply true that the US has a way worse homegrown religious extremism problem than many outside the US seem to understand… roughly once a month, somewhere on lemmy, I end up in some lengthy, polite and informative discussion with a European, where I show them stats, describe things in more detail… and they more or less go ‘oh holy shit I did not realize it was that bad and that commonplace’.
So… yeah, apologies again for trauma-projecting.
No need to apologise for both taking your time and your assumptions:
I appear to have run out of things to say as I don’t really wish to delve into the situation in america. Just hope you stay safe.
It’s been fun talking to you. May we meet again.