Context: X11Libre is a fork of X11 aiming at preserving the X Server (fair enough, right?). One of the creators got permanently banned from freedesktop.org for apparently violating the Code of Conduct (no info on that, they just blame Red Hat), see themselves as hunted by both Big Tech and “toxic elements” who “took over the X11 project” They want to “make X great again”.

The issue about their highly political README (which they wrote due to the original project “becoming too political”, lol) also contains the usual red flags like transphobia. https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40

  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
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    15 days ago

    Found more context, for who is now curious:

    • Apparently threatening violence with guns is okay (just got marked as “off-topic”).
    • The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list

    The more I read into X11Libre, the more I’m laughing. Now the freedesktop ban also makes perfect sense.

    • mmmm@sopuli.xyz
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      15 days ago

      The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list

      Oh, so it’s him. Dude got absolutely lucky Linus is on mild mode nowadays. On his prime the scold would’ve been of such epic proportions all the viruses he could have on his body would’ve leave him out of pure cringe.

      • Colloidal@programming.dev
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        15 days ago

        Linus has good values, by he’s also a toxic asshole that surrounded himself with other toxic assholes. And that’s why both immoral people and nice people eventually get shown the door / leave the Linux project.

        • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          14 days ago

          He used to be, but he has become surprisingly chill from what I’ve seen. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but I’m under the impression that “no compiler warnings” thing, as well as the introduction of C11 and Rust played a role in that. In all three instances he made an open minded decision, all of them after he realised he was wrong on numbers one and two

    • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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      15 days ago

      Honestly, I’m fully on board of this development. It might be useful for those distros that can’t move to Wayland and, more importantly, can keep the developers far from everything else.

      • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        15 days ago

        Lol, how will they get any contributions if they explicitly say that trans girls are not welcome? You know who run the internet?

  • planish@sh.itjust.works
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    14 days ago

    X11 was never great.

    (Like seriously, it’s nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell and and proprietary stuff from nvidia that misbehaves, all the way down. Always has been.)

    • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      it’s nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell

      Some people seem to love that, as well as the total lack of any kind of access control or security. I mean, look at how many people are still arguing that “Systemd is destroying Linux”, clinging to initd with all its bash scripts and no nice way to prevent race conditions and such.

      To roughly quote someone from a talk (not sure where I heard that, was about systemd as well I think):

      “We nerds are very good at change when we’re the ones proposing it, but very bad when it comes from the outside.”

  • B-TR3E@feddit.org
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    15 days ago

    I miss the days when the OS community found -often painful- ways to deal with excentric or even toxic and erratic developers. That definitely had more class than conformist mobs celebrating each character assassination of somebody disagreeing. Not that I’d support any anti-vax bullshit or bigotry, I just dislike mobs of holier-than-thous. Because they aren’t holy or as “good” as they think they are. IMO they’re just the sort of people waiting for a reason to get their torches and pitchforks. I don’t think that’s any better, morally, or less intolerant than having unhinged opinions.

  • observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca
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    15 days ago

    Very typical projection (“I’m not political, you are”), but the reactions are unnecessary in my opinion (feeding the trolls as some would say). If you don’t like the attitude of the maintainer, fork it if you like, ignore it if you don’t.