• regdog@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?

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    The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven’t gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.

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      2 months ago

      …you would want to ban an opposing political opinions? Really? You know that cunts like Viktor Orban and Donald Trump only ever can get elected via the absolute and complete failure of the opposition?

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    A gilded cage is still a cage. I’d rather work and pay rent and live in a modest apartment than be imprisoned in a luxury hotel that I’m not allowed to leave. Prisoners in Halden prison don’t get to set their own schedule, don’t get to quit being a prisoner and move across the country, don’t get to code with whom they live and associate.

    Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave. Or even just a bus ticket across the country to live somewhere else.

    Or how about taking your girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date to a nice restaurant? Or rent a cabin in the woods for a weekend and just relax? Or go out to the bar for a few beers with a friend? Or volunteer to spend time with some elderly folks at a nursing home!

    Being in prison sucks, no matter how much they dress it up. The vast majority of things you might do are closed off to you just because you can’t leave. Every single one of those prisoners knows they’re being punished. Every single one of them counts the days until their release.

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      Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave.

      If you make minimum wage in the city I live in you either live with your parents, have multiple roomates, or live on the street.

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        Right, but you don’t have to live in that city. You have the choice to move somewhere else! Prisoners don’t have that choice.

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          I don’t because I make well above minimum wage but you’re making uprooting your life and moving sound easier than it. It costs thousands of dollars to move to a new city, even more if you don’t have friends or family to stay with until you get established. Good luck setting that much aside when you’re barely surviving.

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            I’m not saying it’s easy! I’m saying it’s possible.

            Having family and family obligations is still your choice. Many people walk away from all that because it’s unbearable to them. A prisoner doesn’t have that option: they’re stuck with whoever their cellmates are, no matter what.

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              I honestly don’t get all these people downvoting the general sentiment that a prisoner is, in fact, imprisoned. A free person on the other hand, is not.

              No one here is denying that being poor or homeless makes it extremely hard to really do anything, that’s not the point. The point is that no matter how poor or homeless a person is, they still retain the freedom of choice regarding what to do when they wake up the next morning.