Democracy isn’t when there’s three parties, it’s when people generally get what they want. People in the entirety of Europe have been consistently overwhelmingly against Austerity Policy since 2008 and that’s all we’ve gotten, regardless of party in government or country in question, and when one country (Greece) decided to ignore austerity, it was literally threatened with a default by the European Central Bank and wasn’t allowed to do so. Plenty of parties and free vote in Europe, it all means nothing at the end of the day. If you’re USian instead, you’re probably aware that the overwhelming majority of USians want universal healthcare for decades and that’s systematically ignored by either party in government. What’s democracy then?
Again: why would an antidemocratic dictatorship of an owning class create free universal healthcare, free education to the highest degree, guaranteed housing and work, public services, thoughtful urban planning and walkable neighborhoods, quality public transit for the period, subsidies of basic foodstuffs, sports centres aplenty, paid holidays for everyone, high workplace safety, etc? Maybe, possibly, because it was more democratic than you’ve made out to think? Again, I’ve given you plenty of sources mate, and you’re just ignoring 90% of the comments I’m writing. Are you even a leftist at all? I wouldn’t have this patience with a rightoid
Democracy isn’t when there’s three parties, it’s when people generally get what they want
No, its when state is ruled by the people.
People in the entirety of Europe have been consistently overwhelmingly against Austerity Policy since 2008
As somebody living in Europe, no they haven’t.
and when one country (Greece) decided to ignore austerity, it was literally threatened with a default by the European Central Bank and wasn’t allowed to do so.
A default is when you fail to make a payment on your obligations. Saying Greece was threatened by a default is like saying that you were threatened with cancer. Greece wasn’t being economical with their resources, which led to them to them being on the verge of ruin. If they had managed their resources sustainably (that’s sustainable in the economic sense, not in the environmental sense), nobody would have complained.
the overwhelming majority of USians want universal healthcare
It’s really easy to find people who don’t want it. Too easy for the support to be overwhelming.
why would an antidemocratic dictatorship of an owning class create free universal healthcare, free education to the highest degree, guaranteed housing and work, public services, thoughtful urban planning and walkable neighborhoods, quality public transit for the period, subsidies of basic foodstuffs, sports centres aplenty, paid holidays for everyone, high workplace safety, etc?
Because they wanted to? And then along came Gorbachev, decided that they didn’t want to give the people those things anymore, and now they don’t have them anymore.
Dictatorships aren’t bad because dictators are cruel and incompetent, they’re bad because there’s no defense against a cruel and incompetent dictator.
And let me restate my earlier question: Do you have the real numbers somewhere?
Ok I thought I was talking to someone with basic political literacy. Yes, the overwhelming majority of EU citizens were/are against rise of retirement age and against defunding of public healthcare and education.
Greece was threatened with a default because EU states with Euro as their currency gave up their monetary sovereignty to the European Central Bank. England, the US or Japan have their own currencies so the state cannot default by definition, because the state can literally create an unlimited amount of the money it borrows through debt. Greece had a DEMOCRATIC REFERENDUM to revise its sovereign debt and the idea won by a long shot, and then the country was not allowed to exercise its democratic will under threat of cutting Euro supply by the ECB, i.e. default.
Every poll in the USA comes to some result close to 70% of USians supporting the idea of implementing universal healthcare because essentially every Democrat wants this and many Republicans want it too. It’s not done because the US isn’t a democracy, it’s a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
I’m actually done talking with you. You pretend to be a leftist but you have literally 0 support to offer to the working class, you have the narrowest understanding of politics as defined by whatever western outlets you consume, and you’re a smug debatelord who doesn’t care to inform themselves in the slightest, you haven’t picked up a single book about politics in your entire life and it shows. You constantly replicate lies and don’t care to admit it, you constantly miss information and you don’t care to admit it, and you think you’re the smartest person in the universe. Go waste someone else’s time.
Again, way to ignore 90% of my comment.
Democracy isn’t when there’s three parties, it’s when people generally get what they want. People in the entirety of Europe have been consistently overwhelmingly against Austerity Policy since 2008 and that’s all we’ve gotten, regardless of party in government or country in question, and when one country (Greece) decided to ignore austerity, it was literally threatened with a default by the European Central Bank and wasn’t allowed to do so. Plenty of parties and free vote in Europe, it all means nothing at the end of the day. If you’re USian instead, you’re probably aware that the overwhelming majority of USians want universal healthcare for decades and that’s systematically ignored by either party in government. What’s democracy then?
Again: why would an antidemocratic dictatorship of an owning class create free universal healthcare, free education to the highest degree, guaranteed housing and work, public services, thoughtful urban planning and walkable neighborhoods, quality public transit for the period, subsidies of basic foodstuffs, sports centres aplenty, paid holidays for everyone, high workplace safety, etc? Maybe, possibly, because it was more democratic than you’ve made out to think? Again, I’ve given you plenty of sources mate, and you’re just ignoring 90% of the comments I’m writing. Are you even a leftist at all? I wouldn’t have this patience with a rightoid
Do you have the real numbers of the election results somewhere?
You’re losing and you know it
Damn, they go out of their way to write an in depth post with plenty of sources, and you act like a petulant little sack of shit.
And do you have the real numbers somewhere?
You’re losing and you know it
You got nothing better to do?
Rubbing your failure in your face is an excellent use of my time, low cost high reward
You’re boring.
Right back at you dipshit
Eat my shit and hair you little worm
No evidence?
You’ve already shown that you just ignore any evidence, you petulant sack of shit.
They failed to provide any for the issue at hand. Do you have the numbers?
You’re losing and you know it
Eat shit
If you’re unwilling to as much as listen, be honest to me and to yourself and stop wasting our time
You’re being purposefully obtuse. Did Bush obey the popular will when he invaded Iraq?
The only and best measure of democracy is the existence of multiple parties?
I’m trying to have an actual conversation with you, dont be a dick
No, its when state is ruled by the people.
As somebody living in Europe, no they haven’t.
A default is when you fail to make a payment on your obligations. Saying Greece was threatened by a default is like saying that you were threatened with cancer. Greece wasn’t being economical with their resources, which led to them to them being on the verge of ruin. If they had managed their resources sustainably (that’s sustainable in the economic sense, not in the environmental sense), nobody would have complained.
It’s really easy to find people who don’t want it. Too easy for the support to be overwhelming.
Because they wanted to? And then along came Gorbachev, decided that they didn’t want to give the people those things anymore, and now they don’t have them anymore.
Dictatorships aren’t bad because dictators are cruel and incompetent, they’re bad because there’s no defense against a cruel and incompetent dictator.
And let me restate my earlier question: Do you have the real numbers somewhere?
Ok I thought I was talking to someone with basic political literacy. Yes, the overwhelming majority of EU citizens were/are against rise of retirement age and against defunding of public healthcare and education.
Greece was threatened with a default because EU states with Euro as their currency gave up their monetary sovereignty to the European Central Bank. England, the US or Japan have their own currencies so the state cannot default by definition, because the state can literally create an unlimited amount of the money it borrows through debt. Greece had a DEMOCRATIC REFERENDUM to revise its sovereign debt and the idea won by a long shot, and then the country was not allowed to exercise its democratic will under threat of cutting Euro supply by the ECB, i.e. default.
Every poll in the USA comes to some result close to 70% of USians supporting the idea of implementing universal healthcare because essentially every Democrat wants this and many Republicans want it too. It’s not done because the US isn’t a democracy, it’s a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
I’m actually done talking with you. You pretend to be a leftist but you have literally 0 support to offer to the working class, you have the narrowest understanding of politics as defined by whatever western outlets you consume, and you’re a smug debatelord who doesn’t care to inform themselves in the slightest, you haven’t picked up a single book about politics in your entire life and it shows. You constantly replicate lies and don’t care to admit it, you constantly miss information and you don’t care to admit it, and you think you’re the smartest person in the universe. Go waste someone else’s time.
We’re talking about the USSR, not Greece, not the USA. Neither of the latter two are communist, nor did they claim to be so. Stop deflecting.
Do you have the real numbers somewhere?
You fucking loser
Again, documentation of regular functioning democratic processes within the USSR, please.
You’re losing and you know it
Go fuck yourself, you worm