I think a lot of these XX XY “only two genders” people aren’t just dunning Kruger, they’re transphobic idiots with an agenda. So even if they had the science and knowledge it wouldn’t matter because they’re pushing their hateful stupid agenda, facts and logic be damned. They don’t care, they just want to rationalize hating us trans people because we make them uncomfy.

“Write a bit about yourself to join this server and if we decide you’re too boring and normal we’ll reject your application and say you’re a spammer afterwards”

Hmm I wonder why normies aren’t flocking to these fediverse platforms, what could be stopping them, couldn’t be the shitty onboarding process could it? Nah asking people to apply is the best onboarding process ever (obvious big ass /s)

Your example with YouTube is not an anti-spam measure, it’s them trying to restrict and create exclusivity with their content, they’re just lying and calling it anti-spam. I think it’s better to have some annoying automated spam defense like Reddit and the gang does than it is to be judged on my worth and denied because I’m not interesting enough or meet some dumb criteria to join the exclusive clubs Lemmys are slowly becoming fuck that.

Just pick one, you’re thinking too hard. I just picked one that’s open because I didn’t want to write an essay about myself to prove my worth and get someone to accept me, because I know that there isn’t any reason why anyone would accept me over someone else (I’m a nobody). I hate the idea of someone else having to review my worth before being allowed to sign up, what a disgusting concept. “Oh it’s to stop spam 🤓” All the other sites have been dealing with Spam good enough without asking me to prove my worth to them, maybe the Fediverse should take some pointers from the big boys at Big tech, they seem to be doing better than you are when it comes to this.

It’s almost certainly transphobic people or bots run by transphobic people. Either way people who don’t bring anything positive to the discussion and who bear hostility to the trans community, hence why I say the downvotes on the post can be used to find some of the more quiet transphobes and ban them.

what qualifies as “just asking questions”

You just highlighted a transphobic dogwhistle, where people claim to be “just asking questions” and their questions are by nature invalidating or attempting to be invalidating towards trans people.

if you want to know what I meant by downvotes in the thread, many people who are transphobic aren’t bold enough to express it directly, they do it indirectly claiming they are just asking questions or that they just don’t support that one basic things that trans people expect to receive. Some are even more less direct, lurking and hiding but they still express their distain and transphobia through downvotes. On Reddit they were practically anonymous. The fediverse though allows votes to be seen by instance admins, so it’s really easy for admins to find the ones doing this and give them the boot. Votes aren’t anonymous.

I already did provide you with criteria for what counts as transphobia, though from what you’ve said here you sound like a typical apologist and discussion will likely not go anywhere.

I don’t support transphobia, but this sounds extremely aggressive and almost unworkable. Who gets to decide what qualifies as “thinly veiled transphobia”? or “transphobic dogwhistles” and what approach is used to disperse bans?

It’s easy, comments which dismiss or devalue trans people, attempt to undermine our rights, or justify or sympathize with transphobia count as thinly veiled transphobia. This is widely agreed upon by trans people and their allies alike.

For example, in many countries some people who might be generally supportive of trans people (in the sense that they would want you to be the best version of yourself) might oppose inclusion of trans women in natal-women’s spaces. Does this qualify for an automatic ban?

This is transphobic, it implies that trans women aren’t real women. We are real women. We aren’t men pretending to be women. This type of argument attempts to invalidate trans women and claim that we aren’t real women. They claim to respect us as women but they don’t think we should be in spaces with other women. If we’re real women and they think we’re real women how does that make any sense. Answer, it doesn’t. This is an example of thinly veiled transphobia.

Some might claim this is transphobic, but my answer to that would be: How do you know? Do you speak the local language? Have you lived there? Do you have any knowledge about the region’s history? Do you know what the attitude of the local LGBT community is to the above-mentioned example?

More examples of trying to justify thinly veiled transphobia. You know how we know it IS transphobic, because it is exclusionary towards actual women on the basis that we’re transgender. Just because transphobia is normalized in some places doesn’t make it not transphobia, also doesn’t make it not wrong and exclusionary. Please don’t try to excuse transphobia on the basis of the people being foreigners or the transphobia being mild and the people still self-proclaiming themselves to be trans allies.

Hopefully more people from lemmy.blahaj.zone can go through the general communities on lemmy.world and the like and report as many of those users as possible so they can be banned from their instance.

I would definitely oppose this without addressing specifically what qualifies as “transphobia” and what the specific policies are with regards to moderator actions. Otherwise this is just some rampage witchhunt against perceived enemies.

It’s not complicated, anything trans exclusionary or invalidating to trans identities is transphobic. “I don’t hate trans people but I don’t think they should force their identities and pronouns onto other people” is a transphobic dogwhistle and a prime example of thinly veiled transphobia, and it’s the kind of thing you’d likely excuse here. I mean you literally excused excluding trans women from “women’s spaces” despite us being women. That in and of itself is a dogwhistle, “protect women’s spaces”. I do think that Lemmy.blahaj.zone though should alert other admins including lemmy.world’s admins o the problem though so they can ban these people everywhere, and not just from a single instance and its communities.

The downvotes on this thread might be a very good way for admins to identify transphobic people, most of them are likely either transphobes or bots run by transphobes. If you’re not interested maybe still collect the names and send it to @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone so she can use it to better clean up their instance from silent transphobia.

Most of those people are on big general purpose instances hiding in the shadows, instead of hanging out on Nazi instances so defederation doesn’t really help. Hopefully more people from lemmy.blahaj.zone can go through the general communities on lemmy.world and the like and report as many of those users as possible so they can be banned from their instance. Though it also does feel like a bandaide fix, we need bigger instances to cooperate on these issues, otherwise it’s not actually solved, just hidden for one side. We need lemmy.world’s admins to ban a lot of these people, so they’ll be banned everywhere, not just on specific servers. Banning them from the communities on those instances so they can’t post on them at all anymore. Not just making their transphobic garbage hidden.

I know, I’m subscribed to many of their communities already, they are some of the nicest people I’ve met on the fediverse. If I was going to recommend my friends join Lemmy I would recommend they join lemmy.blahaj.zone. However even though there are good instances which are safe spaces it doesn’t detract from the problem, since they will still use the federated general communities and thus will still encounter those problems. Even if they’re on the friendly insances, the problem gets federated.

That’s why it is important to address transphobia in the fediverse as a whole, having safe spaces help but we should expect a level of common decency in any community. Not just in the trans-specific communities.

Most of the people exhibiting the transphobic traits and behaviors I’ve mentioned had @lemmy.world extensions on their account. I saw only a few from lemmy.ml doing it, and essentially no hexbears doing it at all.

It was actually estrogen, but yeah basically.

Indeed it is, this person obviously had problems around their penis, personally I think it could’ve been gender dysphoria but it could’ve also been sexual trauma. Either way, shrooms alone aren’t going to make you want to cut your dick off. Gender dysphoria absolutely can and sometimes does make you feel that way though, take my word for it, dysphoria is no joke.

War on drugs is being fought in this comment section with downvotes and shitty fear mongering, and just that little bit of thinly veiled transphobia.

Lemmy may harbor less transphobes than Reddit does but they’re still here, these ones are just the ones transphobic enough to click downvote, but too scared of repercussions to speak their mind, I wish they would so they’d be banned faster.

I used they/them because when it comes to people who aren’t quite out it’s hard to know what they may or may not be okay with. Some people aren’t at the point where she/her is comfortable, denial can be really bad as well. Also might be a transfem enby, we don’t know that much about them though.

Yeah body horror can be very relatable in many ways, because in the same way they are turning into something unpleasant and grotesque, to many of us, our assigned sex at birth carries very similar feelings.

I’m very happy too. Though it’s hard being on DIY since I have to be careful and the changes have been slower than normal. Really wish I had been able to do it officially but I guess getting HRT without degrading yourself is too much to ask ☹️.

I have a feeling it could’ve been gender dysphoria. I’ve known people who did that to themselves because of penis dysphoria and they weren’t on mushrooms, it’s likely they did this to themself for similar reasons and just happened to be on mushrooms.

Sometimes it do be necessary for some of us. Lucky for me mine shrunk a lot on E, or I very well might’ve done what they did.

Edit: Transphobic dipshit downvoter has no understanding of just how bad it can be to have gender dysphoria. I hope you never have to feel just how truly awful it feels like to be born in the wrong body and feel out of place in life. It sucks royally.

I have a feeling they had some serious penis dysphoria, and were using the mushrooms as a coverup so they could cut it off without being outed. I had friends who had dysphoria that bad and couldn’t get bottom surgery due to expense or transphobic doctors and they took matters into their own hands, sadly for many it wasn’t enough and they took their own lives because of the dysphoria.

It feels really shitty that people are mocking this person for this or saying they’re crazy, dysphoria is no joke, and if E hadn’t shrunk mine as much as it did I may have done the same as where I live I can’t get bottom surgery unless I can “prove I’m a woman”, I wouldn’t even have been able to get on estrogen if I didn’t DIY it for the same stupid reason. Thank goodness for grey-market estrogen online.