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Oh shit I love that anime

That’s embarrassing. Not that that’s new lately. But yeah.

I gotcha, I get it being a kink, and you have a fair point in that public feedback helps call out the sort of things that aren’t made in good faith. I think I still like the idea of obvious hate games being taken down, but its always going to be somewhat subjective, so its hard to enforce that kind of thing without screwing over games that don’t deserve it.

Definitely not something payment processors should be in charge of lmao

Thanks for talking with me about this :)

So I think that’s all pretty fair, of course including the fact that it should all be legal too.

Does the paradox of tolerance concern you at all? The idea that if you let shitty people have a say they’ll eventually use the bit of tolerance you give them as a tool to take away tolerance of others.

Basically, in theory if you let the nazis have a political party they might win and ban all the other parties, so to keep it fair arguably you should ban them first.

Now applying that to games that are pretty obviously hate games, like the ones the other commenter mentioned, the raping women into obedience game, or a game where you kill a bunch of gay people, the implication is that those games should be banned.

I kinda just wanted your thoughts on the concept. Like for example a game where you play as a school shooter. All good?

Sorry if this is a little philosophical, I just honestly wonder where the line should be for the least amount of harm.

I’m aware, I promise you that, I’m not saying games make you violent or awful. That argument has been annoying me to hell and back my whole life. To be honest I’ve not heard the argument for video games made for porn games before, but yeah, fair. So yeah. I don’t like those specific rape/incest games, they’re kinda yuck to me, but you do you.

Out of curiosity do you think there should be a line? Where would it be? Maybe like only explicitly illegal content is ever removed? (I wanna say thats how ao3 works) Or is steam having final say your preference? What if steam decided to make changes on its own?

If I had my way, I’d just have filters and tags, and let steam manage their storefront. I might disagree on how they do it, but that’s up to them(or it should be). It just feels weird and loopholey that a payment processor is making this sort of overarching decision.

The main stuff I saw removed was related to incest and rape, not in a “it contains it” way. Somehow Corruption of Champions 2 escaped the ban hammer which makes me think those games probably took things pretty far, or were basically built to simulate assaulting people.

For reference, CoC2 is uh… Well when you lose in combat the enemy fucks you, and vice versa. It’s like a lot of fetish stuff too. So not that I know exactly what’s in the games, but I feel like you have to really be trying to outdo CoC2.

Edit: I’m not criticizing CoC2 btw, it’s fine. Its… I don’t wanna say tasteful but non con is like one of 90 things you can or cannot opt into. Idk how to put it. It’s an actual game that happens to have non con content I guess is what I mean.

There are specific games in steam’s case I’m very ok with getting removed, but at the same time its very fucked up that we’re in a situation where the world is beholden to payment processors. Ideally this would be a case where they go directly to Valve and say “hey we think you should take a look at your content policy and at these specific games” and Valve makes the call from there on where they want to draw the line.

I think my issue is practicality in testing. They have to have the print, and the printer. To test they likely need the file, modified with the same slicer settings as set originally. There are just so many factors, I have a hard time seeing them get all the required pieces, get them all in working order (especially the printer), then have the means to print the same thing in the same way. After all of that, now they have to measure some patterns and prove they’re the same across prints.

I feel like the complexity of the problem introduces more chances for false positives, or just enough of a shift in how the printer is tuned, how the file is set up, etc to make the process unreliable at best.

I guess we’ll see, but idk. A poor tool still has potential for abuse even if it doesn’t work as originally intended.

Here’s the thing. You’re not arguing against their point you’re arguing about the specific figures not being entirely accurate.

Watching you two go feral over specificity doesn’t convince anyone of anything, it just makes people hostile to talking to you because now they feel they have to hedge everything, because if not you’ll reply with

“You’re*”

And ignore the whole argument they made. Nobody wants to engage with that level of nitpicking pedantry.

Being right isn’t always worth it, because you put the other person in defense mode, show you don’t care about the spirit of the argument as much as the letter, and essentially insult the person in the process.

You’re right, you’re just shit at conversational strategy. Enjoy the fights. That’s all you’re having.

I’ve seen this before and I still don’t entirely buy it. If you’re talking about the pattern left by the nozzle rubbing the print, that will not be a reliable identifier.

Most nozzles are brass. Soft metal. It wears down and the pattern in the plastic will change. Because they wear down anybody doing regular prints is gonna replace their nozzle from time to time. New pattern in the plastic.

This is assuming they don’t change a new $2 brass nozzle, print a gun part, then toss the nozzle in the trash. Or the whole printer. My printer right now is probably $150 used at this point, if I was to sell it.

Imo this isn’t gonna do much, and for the people who would do nefarious things it will be easily avoided.

(This is ignoring changing print settings, nozzle diameter, filament type, print temp, etc)

Yeah I can’t fuckin print consistent prints on purpose, good fuckin luck doing some kind of forensic analysis about it.

I’m so glad I accidentally over planted tomato seeds now. I’ll have to give some extras to our neighbors, we really only have a little patio to put stuff on or the apartment flips out.

In theory eventually any earth we lived on would be lost to tectonic plate movements and it would be like we were never here. And then the sun explodes so…

Depends on the time period honestly. Biggest signs are gonna be massive buildings or infrastructure projects. I wonder how long voyager will last just drifting?