They were normal fucking jobs, none of them were nazi collaborators. Most were rural people with farms, the lot in the cities were clerks and fucking shop keepers.

Go on, ask about skin colour and religion next. Ask if any were disabled, gay, out spoken, etc. I mean, there’s got to be a justifiable reason your heros would have all those gulags, right?

Because only western people are shitty? Or only the western ‘elites’? Does being ‘elite’ from a non western country automatically absolve somebody from this?

I think I’m also going to need to get you to define ‘western’ and ‘elite’ here too.

Wow, what a ray of sunshine you are!

And who knew that lemmy communists were such an intelligent, thoughtful and all together pleasant bunch?

Yes, of course, because when I said ‘most people’ I clearly meant everyone.

And if you, and most of the people you know, are in positions of power and not shitty people, then you’re either a pleasant person with nice friends, or lying. Either way, good for you.

Do you also want the job titles, religions and nationalities of the bunch who died in the nazi camps? Would you like to see all my papers too?

I mean how else can you truely know if my kin deserved to die and be written off as collateral damage by tankies such as yourself? Hell, maybe I do too. Who knows with you lot.

Thanks for the correction, I really should have looked that up before writing it down.

That ‘free market economy’ wasn’t born of a vacuum with no prior human influence. We made it.

No Marxist advocates for “if everyone would just…”

But the whole reason this conversation with you started was because you didn’t like that I said communism doesn’t work because people aren’t capable of it. And we haven’t been capable of it yet anywhere either.

So if you’re not arguing for ‘if everybody would just’ but also believe people are actually capable of communism… then what?
Work with me here, I’m really trying to understand you.

And ffs, with your attitude here, if anyone’s likely to get on the news for something relating to this, it seems like you’re closer to going all ‘gulag for the non-believers’, than I am to bothering to seek out any of you morons irl to be pissed at.

Aye, monkeys and typewriters.

This is what I get for interacting with lemmy communists, that’s on me. I should have known better.

How old have I apparently claimed to be?

Holy ad hominems batman, lmao. For someone who also clames to know about logical fallacies, you really don’t seem to be doing to well on that front either.

Well done spelling those big words though!

I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family

And just so we’re clear, because at this point my expectations for the people reading this are fairly low, ‘great’ in this context, is sarcasm.

As in, they did not actually find living under communism to be ‘great’.

The what? I read it in a book.

I’m probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.

I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.

And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.

Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.

“If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.”

Ninth-century Chinese Buddhist monk Linji Yixuan.

And no offence but ‘civillised groups’? Lmao, you’re going to have to define this too because fuck me does it reek of collonialism.

Estimates of the number of currently enslaved people range from around 38 million to 49.6 million, depending on the method used to form the estimate and the definition of slavery being used.

How are you defining babary? Just so I know exactly how to disprove your statement, please.

No, I’m just as human as the rest of you. I just don’t believe people are capable of communism. Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.

People are not capable of being better, if we were we would have done so by now. Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet? And why is it at all logical to assume we suddenly could be, despite this?

I mean yeah, they absolutely did.

Communism is fantastic in theory, but in reality it doesn’t work, and it won’t ever work, because our species just doesn’t work like that.

People are, by and large, greedy, power hungry and prone to corruption, and this is why we can’t have nice things and are destroying the planet.

So you just pray there are no mosquitos at eye level, or does everybody in the vicinity of this machine have to wear ‘anti laser glasses’?