The amount of people who are okay with self-elected individuals viloating people’s liberties as a response to the violation of liberties is both shocking and disappointing. Just because you claim it’s for a righteous cause, that doesn’t make it okay. That’s the same kind of mentality that leads to the justification of things like the NSA surveillance, the EU chat control, ID requirements to access parts of the internet. Keep trading away your freedoms for a false sense of security, you might never get them back.

Yeah, totally blending in with normal people. They definitely don’t stick out like a sore thumb.

No, its always stood for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. This is a new development.

Speed bumps slow people down. Stop lights and stop signs coordinate movement. These actions block movement. You are physically impeded unless some arbitrary self-elected judge grants you passage. Again, false equivalent.

When did they change ICE to stand for Illegal Colluders of Elections?

“Chancellor Palpatine will probably willingly give up his emergency powers when the Separatist crisis is over.”

That’s not even remotely what I said. Its bad when law enforcement does this, and its bad when private citizens do it to. I’ve repeatedly said that throughout this thread. There are ways of combatting ICE that don’t double down on the violation of people’s liberties. If you’re going to double down on bad-faith arguments though, then we’re done here.

I’m sorry, I’m not aware of ICE putting up road blocks. Would you kind sharing an example so I can stay better informed? Regardless, its not okay for them to do it either. We have every duty to prevent them from continuing to do that, but just because they’re getting away with violating peoples liberties, that doesn’t give you free reign to do it too.

Also, not sure how my logic dictates people should be doing this. Would you mind elaborating further on that bit?

It doesn’t only stop ICE. Elsewhere in this thread someone was trying to tell me that ICE agents are indistinguishable from normal citizens (bullshit, by the way) so by that logic, they would need to stop everyone in order to determine if they’re ICE or not. Its not about my time, its about the violation of personal liberties. This has “papers please” vibes written all over it. That shits not okay when the government does it, and its not okay when private citizens do it. You on the other hand have no moral consistency. You rebuke oppression when its on the other side, and let it slide when its on your side.

Approving of violating liberties to combat the violation of liberties is incredibly hypocritical. Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

I didn’t say they were preventing people from using the road, I said they were restricting peoples freedom of movement. I don’t view those statements as synonymous.the difference between this and traffic lights/stop signs is the latter doesn’t erect a physical barrier where my freedoms are subject to the whims of a random individual. As consequence, I don’t agree with police checkpoints either as a method of policing.

Then take it up with your municipal, county, or state if you want to change public roads. What these people are doing is akin to vigilantism.

We all paid for it. I can’t block the freeway on the grounds that my tax dollars paid for it. And this isn’t targeted restrictions, its a blanket restriction. If this only blocked ICE movements I would be less concerned, but this affects everyone using the roads. That’s the same kind of builshit tactics used to push indiscriminate surveillance to “protect the children.”

Stop shoving your boot down my throat. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

See my comment elsewhere. False equivelance.

I’ve not seen any evidence of ICE not standing out like a sore fucking thumb. Would you mind sharing an example?

No, we collectively own it. I dont get to decide what to do with it any more than you do, any more then they do.

I didn’t say anything about the constitution. Nice strawman there tho. Blocking public roads is restricting people’s freedom of movement. Not sure how you can say otherwise with a straight face. You’re preventing people from using the road when you block it. Traffic lights don’t block the road or prevent you from using them. Barriers do. Stop being willfully ignorant.

Lmao, they’re not blending in. Are you blind m8? Just because your enemies are violating peoples rights, that doesn’t give you free reign to violate peoples rights too.

I approve of that response, but there is the possibility they would spin it as you attacking them with gas and use it as justification to kill you.