They will nuke your account after 14-30 days if you don’t comply.

Thanks for taking the time to share that with me. I am no Zionist. However, I do pose the question, because of Red Hat’s stewardship of Fedora, do you believe that makes Fedora morally compromised? Because Red Hat develops systemd, does that mean all Linux distros that use it are thusly compromised as well? ARPANET, the technology that the modern internet stems from, was developed directly by the US Deprtment of Defense. Can a leftist then morally use the internet? I don’t mean this as a sarcastic strawman but as a genuine question in good faith. I myself don’t have an answer, probably a bit yes and a bit no. I will point out the distinction that while Fedora doesn’t have control of what Red Hat does or does not to, it does have direct control over whether or not to implement these age verification laws in question.

What about a distro like Universal Blue, which is directly downstream of Fedora but not affiliated with it organizationally? Where do we draw the line between consent and simple happenstance? Everything is connected to a Nazi, a Zionist or colonialism if you dig deep enough, we live in capitalist hell-world, it’s the foundation of our very society. Consent is implied an in many cases, unavoidable.

That being said you have given me quite a bit to think about and if anything have solidified my decision to move away from Fedora. I hope you don’t interpret my response as adversarial in any way like others who have responded to my post. Cheers

The issue that seems insurmountable to me is that convenience will always be the path of least resistance to the great majority of users because they DO treat web usage as consumption, because they themselves are economic units that have been trained in their economic conditions to be consumers.

To 90% of users instagram might as well be magic. The tech doesn’t matter. Authentication, identity, security, these things are MEANINGLESS to the average user. They see security as something that’s burdensome and forced upon them my their IT department, and that actually materially affects their real lives in a big way. Open internet? They couldn’t be bothered.

Until open web or fediverse or whatever can be as absolutely frictionless as signing up for instagram, they won’t use it. They already have complicated lives, they aren’t going to give a fuck about “stewardship” of the web.

Care to backup your claim? I’m not familiar with that bit.

As far as I’m aware, fedora is a public project and not a org that is “owned” by anyone. You’ve got to do a great bit of mental gymnastics to arrive at your conclusion just to try and make me feel stupid. Why?

Also don’t act like there aren’t serious implications of imposing age checks in supposedly free libre software. Libre software should be a fundamental human right. You can believe in that and also that military interventionism is also bad.

You can conflate my point of view all you want, but let’s dial back the cutesy sarcasm. Thanks.

I’m less twitchy on the AI thing. CEO’s gonna CEO, and I think this whole AI thing is going to quietly die down. It’s just… not as useful as the people pushing it says it is. You can’t just mass-delusion people into thinking something does what it doesn’t do. It writes bad code. It is insecure. It makes people insane. These are facts. The tech is not improving.

Not to mention, I find the Register quite often to be a bit too-cute-by-half in its “reporting”. We’ll see.

https://github.com/BryanLunduke/DoesItAgeVerify

endeavorOS is listed among those who have “decided not to age verify” but I will say the author of this page is a certifiable moron so take that with a grain of salt. Of all the distros listed and not implementing age verification, endeavorOS’s seem the least explicit.

hate to hand it to them but they’ve impressed me lately in the privacy/security space. apple has put itself miles ahead of stock android and microslop when it comes to enshittification of its services and not spying on its users.

of course that’s the bare fucking minimum and FOSS is always the best answer, but still, it should be said.

edit: those of you downvoting please enlighten us how much better Google and Microsoft are at handling your data.

Fair point, but I think at this point it’s extremely likely Fedora will comply, and my issue with this is ideological, not practical. I will not use a distribution that complies with this law because I believe it is morally compromised.

The technology itself is novel and cool. Its the complete and utter meltdown of all tech companies into brainless hype machines that is harmful, which is course, is a function of capitalist incentive and the need for the tech industry to come out with some new paradigm shifting innovation every decade. A normal, healthy society would have been able to leverage machine learning and LLM technology where its most useful, like parsing large amounts of data, or running a local instance on your computer to ask a few questions, etc. We wouldn’t see LLMs in every text editor, pencilcase and pair on sneakers but these snake oil salesmen who run the US economy are absolutely desperate for a new paradigm shift so they can keep making exponentially more money.

The thing is, we don’t need to build these datacenters siphoning comically evil amounts of energy from the grid and making personal compute a thing of the past. Average everyday person doesn’t need cloud compute, they can run a local 4b parameter (very, very small) model on their laptop or phone if they need to ask chatgpt to make them a workout routine or to ask them who won the 1918 world series. But these fucking cretins don’t care, that’s not the point, they are in this because it’s a golden ticket to growth city and once they cash their check they don’t give one hot fuck about the human-spirit-stealing-machine they built.

TLDR: our society is broken and that’s why we keep getting the shittiest, lowest-common-denominator version of everything. everything has to suck by definition because that’s the only version that the system we built will allow.

I live in the US, and I had Lyme when I was a teenager. Simple blood test confirmed it, I was prescribed antibiotics and it cleared up nearly instantly. No one told me it didn’t exist.

If we’re talking about the criminals who are harming children (social media companies, roblox, etc) and actively pushing to influence legislation that allows them to continue this behavior while punishing the rest of us while taking away privacy for normal people, then idk. Prison seems too generous for those scum.

I think the commenter here might be referring to regular people who are powerless and/of less than informed on the subject which I of course disavow. But if somelike like Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk never see the inside of of a prison cell, which is much more than they deserve, there is no justice in this world.

I know this is tongue in cheek but kids should be able to use the internet. It’s important that kids become digitally literate and the wonders of the internet are great.

It’s so obvious that social media has made the world an objectively worse place and this is just another extension of that. Social media companies should face consequences when they harm children, full stop. Personally, I’d be fine with banning social media outright but I understand some may have free speech concerns. However, I don’t see how the interests of corporate capital and the attention economy can be squared inside this circle. Corpos will always want to maximize screen-time and they don’t give a hot fuck who’s brain they melt. Unfortuantely we live in a world where even the president of the US is a demented pedophile rapist so I don’t have much hope for people like Zuck seeing the consequences of his actions.

Social media is a societal disease and until we actually deal with the root of the problem, which honestly doesn’t have anything to do with kids at all and really boils down to capitalist incentives and their relation to the attention economy, we will continue to see harms inflicted upon the digital citizens of the world.

Bitwarden has a paid version?

sick

Interesting defense strategy

reddit mods not beating the allegations anytime soon

Because our sclerotic legislature and campaign finance systems ensure that every single function of “democratic” society is fully and totally captured by the interests of capital

thank god, i need a kick in the ass to get off that poisonous slop

Bad bot

They have so much, but they just keep taking. Like FOSS is the only thing still cool about computing and they need to have that too. Fucking casino ass country.