Karu 🐲

This instance is not as ban-happy as you all like to pretend, and just posting bad geopolitical takes isn’t going to get you banned, it’s just cringe.

But there’s certainly an infantile vibe to your attitude here; almost as if you are purposefully trying to rile up people so that they dunk on you for being unbelievably dense, just so that you can go cry about tankies elsewhere.

I have seen this strategy from your crowd far too many times at this point.

It sounds a lot better in Spanish: “Vía Láctea”.

Tankies don’t own or pretend to own the Fediverse. Y’all literally made up an ill-defined strawman group so that you can immediately dismiss anyone critical of liberal thought because you heard someone else say “China good actually” once.

The Fediverse itself is predicated on the idea of having social spaces on the Internet away from corporate control and the logics of capitalism. The userbase, which you are so dishonestly weaponizing here to make a false claim, is consequently filled to the brim with LGBT people, neurodivergent people, furries, and overall people who is at the very least not satisfied with the system. It’s not at all surprising that a few of these platforms are developed by explicitly leftist groups. Marxism is just one of the lenses through which you can understand how corporate abuse permeates our lives at all levels.

This kind of hysteria about the .ml instance is entirely fabricated. You’d be pressed to find this “dictator worshipping behavior” you are talking about, but that didn’t prevent you from crying about .ml. You can find, however, people arguing that, for example, Russia existing keeps the US in check so it cannot spread its terror as effectively, but this is really far from worshipping Putin, despite how y’all like to pretend. Not that .ml has a particularly leftist userbase either; this kind of opinions are very common elsewhere, on Mastodon, or among non-English speakers, or God forbid, offline. Go ahead and provide that one transphobic DM by Nutomic if you want.

Y’all anti-tankie shitcriers ruined it for yourselves. Despite the Lemmy devs being professed marxist-leninists, they have kept the flagship instance widely federated and took a mostly permissive approach to moderation, only banning things such as blatant transphobia or genocide apologia (Despite how much y’all like to pretend that .ml users are genocide apologists!).

I’d argue that the side attempting to dominate the fediverse is the minority that keeps trying to defederate one of the most populous instances, the main one no less, because of some nebulous claims about .ml users somehow all defending China or whatever dumb criteria you want to use to define “tankie” at any given point.

I am fucking impressed. Even something as neutral as an announcement of an AMA hosted by a small group of FOSS developers on the flagship instance of the third most popular fedi platform is also overriden by this obsession to turn the fediverse into a turf war.

There is only one side of this massive waste of time of an argument that is obsessed with suppressing differing points of view, and it’s not “tankies”. There are way too many meta threads where users from 2 or 3 instances act like rabid monkeys slinging shit at everything if so much as someone has casually mentioned Marx in their general direction at some point in history. Even if a thread is not meant to be meta, there is a high % chance that the discussion has devolved into this. Some users really cannot think or discuss anything else. But because they override entire discussions, sometimes blocking them just leaves threads empty (see, for example, the present thread). At this point it’s pathetic, and makes me want to stop using Lemmy altogether.

It is also even more frustrating having seen the “lemmy.ml is a tankie instance” campaign be fabricated in real time the exact moment .world defeded grad because, otherwise, how are we going to pretend we are being censored and manipulated by a nebulous communist authority at the point of the 21st century where liberalism has openly turned to fascism across the entire Global North?

Idk, if I were some “red-fash” dictator wannabe making a website, I wouldn’t consider it a very good idea to make it open and federated to anyone who wants it no questions asked, and then letting the flagship instance federate with other instances that openly justify US-backed genocides and have included it in their rules that even implying sympathy towards genocided people will get you banned. Oh well, then you will pull some “whatabout” concern trolling involving the Uyghur people that you will literally not mention anywhere else other than to justify this pointless goal.

I’m sorry my comment is not on topic. I don’t care particularly about Framasoft other than respecting the work they do. No other comment in this thread, as of the time of writing, is on topic either, as y’all can’t stop obsessing about this turf war.

Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.

It’s always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.

On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to “tankism” on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.

I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn’t work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.

It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.