If you could voluntarily STOP your taxes going to these wars, you would, right? That’s what I’m doing when I stop buying meat, literally stopping the sale of meat.

But hey, good luck with your preaching for mass suicide I guess. I’ll keep being based here on earth while you waste yourself.

I’m guessing this is your alt account huh. Because your last one got banned? Still speaking with the same monosyllabic single sentence “no-u” I see.

That’s relative privation - appeal to worse problems. It incorrectly assumes that we can or should only care about the current worst suffering and that moral concern is zero sum.

There’s very little I can do to end the wars in Ukraine, Gaza, Iran etc. But I am directly funding and maintaining the meat industry every time I buy meat.

Also don’t kill yourself, that’s cringe. Be based, fight on.

Well that person is literally helping you sleep at night by reducing the planets GHG emissions. You’re welcome I guess?

Yeah currently the difference doesn’t amount to much because we’re still eating livestock, BUT if we stopped eating that livestock, we could return to a more natural Australia where shooting our national animals isn’t a requirement.

As I said, you’re right, eating roos is definitely better, but your argument is an appeal to futility, “I won’t be able to convince everyone to stop eating meat, so I’ll continue doing moral failures”. You could use that argument to continue all horrible injustices, right? “I won’t be able to convince everyone to vote for Labor, so I’ll vote Liberal as well”.

It’s much MUCH easier to convince people to drop meat when you’ve done it yourself, I’ve converted 5 of my friends over the course of my 6 years, two of which are from rural NZ.

Hahaha why do people just spout complete bullshit like they know anything.

A Poore and Nemeck 2008 meta-analysis covering 38,000 farms in 119 countries found that food systems contribute 26% of the planets GHG emissions, of which ~57% comes from animal ag. Meaning this study found ~15% of the entire planets GHG comes from animal ag.

Don’t forget, 70% of the food we grow is fed directly to farm animals instead of humans.

Stop spewing bullshit and look up the data?

Eating planet based obviously != Virtue signalling unless you publically mention it, so there’s that issue solved for you.

But what a lazy and incurious way to live, “I will continue perpetuation moral atrocities while contributing to the destruction of the planet unless daddy government tells me to stop”.

Damn and they call vegans “pussies”.

Why would the industry continue if no one was eating the meat? What a peculiar argument…

A Poorer & Nemecek meta-analysis (2008) found that beef uses 20x more land and produces 10-20x more GHG than alternative meat (like impossible meat or classic fake meat at the supermarket). Lean beef is 26g of protein, plant meat is 25g (plant meat does have half the kilokalories)

I did the research for you! All I ask is that you forever go vegan forever thank you (or maybe just try impossible mince in your spag bol next time, either or)

If everyone decided to stop eating meat today, 10-15% of the entire planets GHG gasses drop, an area the size of all of the Americas can be rewilded (animal ag uses 50-100x the land per kilo of food over plant based), we stop wasting 70% of our antibiotics on animals, the plastic left in the ocean drops by half.

Most things in life you have little control over: you can’t easily stop driving to work, you can’t easily remove all your plastic usage, you can’t easily cut back on your electricity usage.

But you CAN easily cut out animal ag. Like, today. You can just look up plant based recipes for dinner instead of the meat ones. This is entirely consumer choice driven, entirely.

Why would someone proudly glout about that? Like, you saw the OPs image right? It’s one of the worst things a consumer can do for the climate. What a bizarro banner to fly.

Roos are culled mostly because they compete for pasture availability and water access for livestock, especially because we reduced their predators (again, to protect animal livestock).

It’s certainly better to eat roo than cow, but a diet that doesn’t include killing animals at all is objectively better.

The entire worlds cargo ships emit 3% of the planets GHG emissions.

Animal agriculture is 15-20%. It’s equal to the ENTIRE transport sector (cars, trucks, boats, planes etc).

As a consumer you can’t easily change your cargo ship usage, or cars or planes, but you can absolutely change your diet, literally today.

I did! And I grew up on a dairy farm in rural NZ.

I mean, I suspect EVERY new food would benefit from decades of studies, and every scientist would say they want that. But we don’t have decades to reduce meat intake.

And no, we’re not growing ill fish, there’s no way to do so. There are certain theoretical risks: (prion diseases? - cell cultures don’t use brain or spinal tissue. Cancer from immortal cells? - regulators have already banned these cells. Bacteria in vats? - less risk than in live animal tissues. Bioaccumulation of unexpected compounds? - already regulated by standard FDA protocols. Antibiotic use? - only used initially).

Otherwise there is no suspected or known mechanistic risks to consuming cultured meat. But don’t take my word for it, you’re already vegan, you’re already a true blue bloody legend. I appreciate your concern wholeheartedly ❤️

But meat eaters already eat parasite ridden, zoonotic disease filled puss bags for dinner, so I’m preparing my vitriol for them.

Unless there’s a mechanistic reason to suspect harm, (all ingredients are biologically equivalent to animal counterparts), I doubt there’ll be a mad rush from anyone but the meat industry to put out studies.

Sounds like the classic animal ag scaremongering around soy milk or Quorn.

true

I hope you’re all morally consistent and don’t eat beef, which requires 15,000 litres of fresh water per kilo.