Typically this is a Christian argument used against Islam - but I’m actually curious if this is seen as a valid argument from a secular point of view? (Even if it’s not the “best”)
Because essentially it’s “your holy book contradicts the holy book it claims to be endorsed by”, which personally I think I can see working on a secular level, even if you don’t actually believe in the Bible either.
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! Also, full disclosure: Yes, I am a Christian. !<
this video is from an organisation whose stated goal is to convert muslims to christianity.
in fact, i could not find any secular sources for this so called dilemma, only texts for christians who wish to convert muslims. since there are no objective descriptions of the problem, and no incentive to be objective, there is no way to reason about it on equal footing.
it’s not a valid dilemma because it’s blatantly propaganda.
How many hundreds of millions of people have died, and will continue to die, over invisible ‘truths’ cooked up by liars looking for power?
The bible peddles the 10 commandments. My favorite example is a very simple rule ‘from God’: Thou shalt not kill. How many have died at the hands of ‘protectors of the faith’?
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I don’t think about it at all.
They don’t believe in either so the Dilemma is not a dilemma for them.
Not an athiest but not a Christian or Muslim either. I used to be a Christian. At roughly the minute mark, the presenter claims that the Bible says that god is a Trinity. The video references Matthew 28:18-20 (about baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). While it’s true that Matthew says that about baptism, that verse doesn’t say that God is a trinity. Trinitarianism is one doctrine some have derived from the Bible but the Bible doesn’t contain the concept directly or Christians wouldn’t have had so much fighting about it. That’s not even getting into the nature of Jesus himself which spawned some humdinger disagreements over time. 🥴
Slightly before that, the presenter claims that the Bible is our only source of truth (paraphrasing … not going back to get the exact wording). The video doesn’t prove that and it’s not true that the Bible is our only source of truth.
It also relies on a lot of ignorance of the Quran at the very least on the part of the people watching it. I’m not in a position to speak much to the Quran other than to note that a devout Muslim would likely not find those arguments compelling.
This kind of “apologetics” / evangelical effort aren’t edifying or useful to the believer or the unbeliever. To borrow a concept I heard from Christians while I was one … those who can be argued into converting can be argued out of it. This kind of presentation is the sort of thing unprincipled people use to grift money out of believers in the idea that this will convert unbelievers.
This is all just “my fairy tale book is better than your fairy tale book”, except with a lot of people dying.
lmao, this is so to the point. I’ve had a Jehovah Witness try and convince me through scripture in the bible and he couldn’t wrap his head around that the bible holds no weight in my mind.
It’s pretty simple
None of their books have a shred of credibility.
That which is stated without evidence (can be dismissed without evidence
The very thought of their god existing falls apart when you consider the omnipotence paradox.
How would you explain the omnipotence paradox?
Can a god create a rock it cannot lift?
The very concept of omnipotence is a logical fallacy.
Given that the whole basis of the fairytale relies on their god being omnipotent, it kinda falls at the first hurdle
I just skipped through the video to get the gist of the topic.
All I think of is Harry Potter vs Lord of the Rings. Both speak of good and evil and magic and miracles.
You could use either set of books to disprove the claims of the other, but it wouldn’t get you any closer to understanding the world we live in.
Lord of the Rings is clearly superior.
