The people cowering and the people chanting we are the best are two completely different groups of people. The NRA is a political group made for “rising when needed”, a prime example of a group in the US chanting we are the best, but the NRA doesn’t see anything thats going on as wrong.
Those of us that do see things going wrong are doing our best, but without mass suicide theres not a whole lot more we can do that we aren’t already doing.
Writing and calling politicians, showing up to town halls, protesting (violent and nonviolent). I’m not sure what you expect us to do short of forming a leftist militia that will be tienamin squared in less than 2 seconds of forming. The working class as it stands can’t do much other than sit and get shot at by ice and the coast guard while waiting for a larger politician to actually fucking do something.
That’s a nice excuse to give up and let fascists drag your neighbours off to El Salvador.
Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. Yet here you are whining “but it’s haaarrrrddd”. Fucking grow up. It’s called a fight for freedom for a reason. It’s not easy.
Since it’s so important what I’m doing… I mean I’m not American so not yet under the reign of an uneducated neppo baby, felon and crazed dictator but here goes.
I voted. Just a slight reprieve for us though. I am organized with local mutual aid organizations. I have collected all the advanced medical supplies I can afford because I am trained to use them but disabled so on limited income. I’ve sighted the .303 and the 12 gauge and filled shells. I’ve collected all the new gear I can and made sure my old beater farm truck and old ATV have oil changes and good tires. I have also organized with like minded Canadians worried about American military incursion into Canada upon your dictator repeatedly claiming he wished to annex us. We grow our own food and bring anything extra we may have to local families in need like us which helps us organize locally with those who need the most assistance resisting. We barter outside the monetary system whenever we can as opposed to feeding corporations, banks and oligarch’s whims. I protest and organize my fellow citizens in multiple platforms to resist and stand up to unconstitutional and authoritarian laws that are being passed in my country. I tried offering suggestions as to what you in murica a can do but I am just met with excuses and hatred as usual. And the cries of the passive. “They’ll massacre us”, “I can’t NOT go to work”, “the politicians need to save us”…
Lots of people are willing to foment civil war part 2 but very few are willing to fight in it.
It’s kinda like how most Americans think that it would be better for the country if more people worked in factories, but none of those same people polled want to work in the factories themselves.
Yeah, I dunno. I never worked in one myself and I don’t want to. But I also wouldn’t be going around talking about what a great thing it would be if everyone worked in factories so 🤷.
You either fight for your democracy or your lose it. That’s the situation you’re in, whether you like it or not.
How do these people make it into adulthood
Saying crap like this is defeatist and putting down people willing to fight and who call for others to do the same is helping the fascists. Which side are you on? It’s your choice.
Explain what you mean or you’ll have changed no one’s mind and preached to your own choir, that is unless that’s what you’ve wanted to do this whole time and don’t actually care what happens to anyone over here.
I am Canadian. I worked as a medic in Canada when 9-11 happened. I volunteered and left my home, family, friends and my job to come to NY to help my fellow man. I felt it was important. EMS then was a pretty small community when you got into higher skill levels so I personally knew some of the FF’s killed that day and many associated with them as well. I was there for a month with a team of fellow Canadians pulling out body parts of your countrymen.
I watched your people rant and rave and run around screaming to kill the terrorists. I watched your president openly lie to the people to get them into this state and declare war over fantasies and money. Our team was told to fuck off and go home when we objected or questioned at all or in any way. After our month was up we did. I personally haven’t crossed the border since and never would again after the treatment we received for trying to help.
We worked with people from all walks of life, all backgrounds on that site. All were screaming for blood without even looking at the facts. No one stood up and said it was not ok. No one attempted to stop it. They all screamed about bombs that never even existed and there was plenty of information available to be informed correctly.
The same is happening again except now it’s at home. You’re waiting for people who don’t care about you to stand up for you while they openly and brazenly lie to you. Until you realize no one is going to do it for you you’re fucked.
You’re right about one thing. There will be no changing someone’s mind and for the most part I could care less what happens to you as Americans after my experiences there. You can Thank your Fellow Americans for that. If I did care I would suggest you would organise but every time I or anyone else does, we get told you’ll just be mowed down in a hail of bullets and to “fuck off” because we are idiots. Familiar. Yet defeating a dictator most often takes risking one’s life. In fact there are very very few instances of it happening any other way.
All this however doesn’t make it less shocking that one of the most brazen, murderous, war mongering and heavily armed populations in the world is so fucking docile and subservient to their masters that they cringe at the thought of fighting for themselves and their neighbors.
The personal anecdote has nothing to do with the people who as I’ve already stated, are already doing everything they can, short of suicide. You interacted with pieces of shit in NYC, one if the most densely populated areas of the country which produced the current president, and are basing your entire view of the country off of those people. I’m not going to sit here and deny your experience, I’m sure they were assholes. Saying the entirety of the people who want to stop the current admin are just like those people is ignorant. Saying that people should openly go and get themselves killed is ignorant. We are the minority. By numbers alone, we can be trampled over and taken care of. We do not have the might of the US armed forced behind us. You are asking us to walk into a meat shredder for fodder. It would be nothing more than a performance, then the US would only be left with the fascists currently in place. Do you really think that would be the world we want to be in, where there is no opposition? Because as it stands we have nothing. The non-MAGA cultists dont have tanks. We dont have missiles, we dont have tear gas and mustard gas. The most any of us have is maybe a semi-automatic rifle. Believe what you want, but as it stands your idea of “fighting back” is handing the country to the fascists on a golden plate.
The excuses are vile. NY is full of assholes. Most of your gang are vilifying southerners not New Yorkers. Enjoy the dictatorship and camps. No one could have prevented this and no one can stop it but you…yet here we all are watching your citizens, judges and lawmakers arrested, deported, sent to concentration camps and even killed. Unknown men in masks abducting people from the street, their homes, work and even courthouses. Your federal government attacking countries with bombs and support for genocide for no reason other than greed. That’s the American way. You all just sit and watch it happen and say but they have guns.
I truly wish you would fight back because eventually it will be my problem. Your drumphkins won’t stop at imaginary lines on a map. He hasn’t thus far. I won’t sit at home and cower when it happens and I can assure you many Canadians are already organized for just that circumstance. Perhaps we will die. But we will try and not roll over like a beaten dog. You seem to have.
There are many examples from the recent past of people with less fighting the American military might with sweet fuck all. The Taliban did it for two decades and never once lost control. Why? Not because they have missiles and rocket launchers but because they’re organized. Ukraine stood duo to what was thought at the time to be the second strongest army in the world. They still stand up today. They didn’t lie down either and I doubt they ever will. Sure they had an organized army but a small one with very little training or modern equipment. No navy boats. Pretty much a non existent Airforce as well.
Americans however are cowards. Plain and simple. Unwilling to fight for themselves, their families or their rights. Every suggestion we could possibly make is met with disdain and the cry of it’s impossible. Yet others have done it multiple times in other places. Even to your own military that is supposedly impossible to fight.
Okay, I’ll go fight back with my fuckin NOTHING. I have some kitchen knives, maybe I can do something with that. I have a car that needs to be repaired every 2 weeks, let me go ride that into battle. “The excuses are vile” dawg youre fucking vile thinking I have anything to FIGHT WITH OTHER THAN MY BODY. I AM NOT BULLET PROOF. but yeah I’ll go get myself KILLED so when the magats get to your house you can die faster too. Instead of fighting us in courtrooms and in protests they won’t have to fight us at all because we gave them a reason to kill us.
Unreal. So you’re organizing everyone you know to stop going to work right? Supporting one another. Making sure a general strike is successful. Even a minority can close down an economy by refusing to work. Know what you need for that? Maybe a pen and some paper. Some phone numbers. To go out in the street every day. Meet your neighbors. Talk to them face to face. Find like minded individuals. You know fighting.
Know what I’ll be literally fighting with in Canada? My feet. Extensive emergency Medical skills. Maybe some cocktails And a 303 my grandfather shot Nazis with. I’m still gonna go up against tanks and weapons I don’t even understand because it matters and the world will see and perhaps because I am standing up for myself someone else will stand up with me.
Somehow I doubt it you’re doing any of that though. There’s an excuse for that as well.
But you’d rather yell at me on the internet about your mighty military and how they’re going to slaughter you. Defeatist indeed. No wonder your country is so fucked.
Nice goalpost shift there, going from LITERAL COMBAT back to protesting and striking, something I already participate in and support, as said in my first reply.
The people cowering and the people chanting we are the best are two completely different groups of people. The NRA is a political group made for “rising when needed”, a prime example of a group in the US chanting we are the best, but the NRA doesn’t see anything thats going on as wrong. Those of us that do see things going wrong are doing our best, but without mass suicide theres not a whole lot more we can do that we aren’t already doing. Writing and calling politicians, showing up to town halls, protesting (violent and nonviolent). I’m not sure what you expect us to do short of forming a leftist militia that will be tienamin squared in less than 2 seconds of forming. The working class as it stands can’t do much other than sit and get shot at by ice and the coast guard while waiting for a larger politician to actually fucking do something.
People down voting you can’t comprehend that a country has a wide range of nuanced views among its citizens for some reason lmao
How do these people make it into adulthood
They haven’t made it to adult hood is the problem.
That’s a nice excuse to give up and let fascists drag your neighbours off to El Salvador.
Land of the Free. Home of the Brave. Yet here you are whining “but it’s haaarrrrddd”. Fucking grow up. It’s called a fight for freedom for a reason. It’s not easy.
You’re bad at reading comprehension.
And what are YOU doing about it since you seem to have all the answers.
It’s the war cry of the subservient American citizen! Look this little one is out here all on its own. Remarkable.
that’s what I thought, nothing
Since it’s so important what I’m doing… I mean I’m not American so not yet under the reign of an uneducated neppo baby, felon and crazed dictator but here goes.
I voted. Just a slight reprieve for us though. I am organized with local mutual aid organizations. I have collected all the advanced medical supplies I can afford because I am trained to use them but disabled so on limited income. I’ve sighted the .303 and the 12 gauge and filled shells. I’ve collected all the new gear I can and made sure my old beater farm truck and old ATV have oil changes and good tires. I have also organized with like minded Canadians worried about American military incursion into Canada upon your dictator repeatedly claiming he wished to annex us. We grow our own food and bring anything extra we may have to local families in need like us which helps us organize locally with those who need the most assistance resisting. We barter outside the monetary system whenever we can as opposed to feeding corporations, banks and oligarch’s whims. I protest and organize my fellow citizens in multiple platforms to resist and stand up to unconstitutional and authoritarian laws that are being passed in my country. I tried offering suggestions as to what you in murica a can do but I am just met with excuses and hatred as usual. And the cries of the passive. “They’ll massacre us”, “I can’t NOT go to work”, “the politicians need to save us”…
Your turn.
Lots of people are willing to foment civil war part 2 but very few are willing to fight in it.
It’s kinda like how most Americans think that it would be better for the country if more people worked in factories, but none of those same people polled want to work in the factories themselves.
Give me a factory job please. Give me a 9-5 with health insurance that pays me enough to live.
Sorry, this is America. Best we can do is starvation wages with unpredictable hours.
I actually enjoy working in factories personally, that was my first career.
Yeah, I dunno. I never worked in one myself and I don’t want to. But I also wouldn’t be going around talking about what a great thing it would be if everyone worked in factories so 🤷.
You either fight for your democracy or your lose it. That’s the situation you’re in, whether you like it or not.
Saying crap like this is defeatist and putting down people willing to fight and who call for others to do the same is helping the fascists. Which side are you on? It’s your choice.
That’s not defeatist, you are being an ass.
By putting down people who want to defend their freedom, you are siding with the fascists. You’ve made your decision.
That isn’t what that meant lol
Still bad at reading comprehension
Oh you’re just the perfect example of my very point. Thanks for backing me up.
Explain what you mean or you’ll have changed no one’s mind and preached to your own choir, that is unless that’s what you’ve wanted to do this whole time and don’t actually care what happens to anyone over here.
I am Canadian. I worked as a medic in Canada when 9-11 happened. I volunteered and left my home, family, friends and my job to come to NY to help my fellow man. I felt it was important. EMS then was a pretty small community when you got into higher skill levels so I personally knew some of the FF’s killed that day and many associated with them as well. I was there for a month with a team of fellow Canadians pulling out body parts of your countrymen.
I watched your people rant and rave and run around screaming to kill the terrorists. I watched your president openly lie to the people to get them into this state and declare war over fantasies and money. Our team was told to fuck off and go home when we objected or questioned at all or in any way. After our month was up we did. I personally haven’t crossed the border since and never would again after the treatment we received for trying to help.
We worked with people from all walks of life, all backgrounds on that site. All were screaming for blood without even looking at the facts. No one stood up and said it was not ok. No one attempted to stop it. They all screamed about bombs that never even existed and there was plenty of information available to be informed correctly.
The same is happening again except now it’s at home. You’re waiting for people who don’t care about you to stand up for you while they openly and brazenly lie to you. Until you realize no one is going to do it for you you’re fucked.
You’re right about one thing. There will be no changing someone’s mind and for the most part I could care less what happens to you as Americans after my experiences there. You can Thank your Fellow Americans for that. If I did care I would suggest you would organise but every time I or anyone else does, we get told you’ll just be mowed down in a hail of bullets and to “fuck off” because we are idiots. Familiar. Yet defeating a dictator most often takes risking one’s life. In fact there are very very few instances of it happening any other way.
All this however doesn’t make it less shocking that one of the most brazen, murderous, war mongering and heavily armed populations in the world is so fucking docile and subservient to their masters that they cringe at the thought of fighting for themselves and their neighbors.
The personal anecdote has nothing to do with the people who as I’ve already stated, are already doing everything they can, short of suicide. You interacted with pieces of shit in NYC, one if the most densely populated areas of the country which produced the current president, and are basing your entire view of the country off of those people. I’m not going to sit here and deny your experience, I’m sure they were assholes. Saying the entirety of the people who want to stop the current admin are just like those people is ignorant. Saying that people should openly go and get themselves killed is ignorant. We are the minority. By numbers alone, we can be trampled over and taken care of. We do not have the might of the US armed forced behind us. You are asking us to walk into a meat shredder for fodder. It would be nothing more than a performance, then the US would only be left with the fascists currently in place. Do you really think that would be the world we want to be in, where there is no opposition? Because as it stands we have nothing. The non-MAGA cultists dont have tanks. We dont have missiles, we dont have tear gas and mustard gas. The most any of us have is maybe a semi-automatic rifle. Believe what you want, but as it stands your idea of “fighting back” is handing the country to the fascists on a golden plate.
The excuses are vile. NY is full of assholes. Most of your gang are vilifying southerners not New Yorkers. Enjoy the dictatorship and camps. No one could have prevented this and no one can stop it but you…yet here we all are watching your citizens, judges and lawmakers arrested, deported, sent to concentration camps and even killed. Unknown men in masks abducting people from the street, their homes, work and even courthouses. Your federal government attacking countries with bombs and support for genocide for no reason other than greed. That’s the American way. You all just sit and watch it happen and say but they have guns.
I truly wish you would fight back because eventually it will be my problem. Your drumphkins won’t stop at imaginary lines on a map. He hasn’t thus far. I won’t sit at home and cower when it happens and I can assure you many Canadians are already organized for just that circumstance. Perhaps we will die. But we will try and not roll over like a beaten dog. You seem to have.
There are many examples from the recent past of people with less fighting the American military might with sweet fuck all. The Taliban did it for two decades and never once lost control. Why? Not because they have missiles and rocket launchers but because they’re organized. Ukraine stood duo to what was thought at the time to be the second strongest army in the world. They still stand up today. They didn’t lie down either and I doubt they ever will. Sure they had an organized army but a small one with very little training or modern equipment. No navy boats. Pretty much a non existent Airforce as well.
Americans however are cowards. Plain and simple. Unwilling to fight for themselves, their families or their rights. Every suggestion we could possibly make is met with disdain and the cry of it’s impossible. Yet others have done it multiple times in other places. Even to your own military that is supposedly impossible to fight.
Okay, I’ll go fight back with my fuckin NOTHING. I have some kitchen knives, maybe I can do something with that. I have a car that needs to be repaired every 2 weeks, let me go ride that into battle. “The excuses are vile” dawg youre fucking vile thinking I have anything to FIGHT WITH OTHER THAN MY BODY. I AM NOT BULLET PROOF. but yeah I’ll go get myself KILLED so when the magats get to your house you can die faster too. Instead of fighting us in courtrooms and in protests they won’t have to fight us at all because we gave them a reason to kill us.
Unreal. So you’re organizing everyone you know to stop going to work right? Supporting one another. Making sure a general strike is successful. Even a minority can close down an economy by refusing to work. Know what you need for that? Maybe a pen and some paper. Some phone numbers. To go out in the street every day. Meet your neighbors. Talk to them face to face. Find like minded individuals. You know fighting.
Know what I’ll be literally fighting with in Canada? My feet. Extensive emergency Medical skills. Maybe some cocktails And a 303 my grandfather shot Nazis with. I’m still gonna go up against tanks and weapons I don’t even understand because it matters and the world will see and perhaps because I am standing up for myself someone else will stand up with me.
Somehow I doubt it you’re doing any of that though. There’s an excuse for that as well. But you’d rather yell at me on the internet about your mighty military and how they’re going to slaughter you. Defeatist indeed. No wonder your country is so fucked.
Nice goalpost shift there, going from LITERAL COMBAT back to protesting and striking, something I already participate in and support, as said in my first reply.
Nice try.