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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7243721
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Putting the flip in flippanarchy
Oh cool… it’s an elephant stomping on a donkey. … never seen that before. Fresh perspective. :)
What would justice look like? I’m genuinely curious. There isn’t a court outside of America that can hold the president accountable, and the other option is war, which would be deadly on a massive scale. It’s insane that impeachment hasn’t happened yet, and unless the legislative branch does something to remove the cancer from the White House, then I don’t see justice being delivered.
This whole situation is a nightmare.
There isn’t a court outside of America that can hold the president accountable
Sure there is.
Literally any country that has had one of its citizens involved in Epstein’s sex trafficking can issue a warrant for Trump’s arrest and prosecution as an accomplice / co-conspirator.
Why the fuck not?
If we can kidnap a President of another country, and try them, for domestic crimes… so can anyone else!
That’s the precedent Trump just set.
Why respect really any international laws or norms, when it comes to the US?
We don’t!
Maybe I’m being a bit pessimistic here, but I somehow don’t see Cuba launching a massive air-sea operation to capture Trump in Mar-a-Lago while he’s busy jerking off to kiddie porn with his tiny little hands.
Even some liberals are starting to see the obvious here… courts of law doesn’t matter.
Why respect really any international laws or norms, when it comes to the US?
Because they have big guns and they’re not afraid to use them.
So do a lot of other people, now we’re back to a bunch of Hobbes’ Leviathans, vying for power like brutes, in the lawless ‘state of nature’.
States will now increasingly just do whatever they can get away with, and still save any face that they care to save.
Jesus, we just had to arrest all the world dictators? Well Jesus, nobody said it was so easy! Gosh we could have got Putin AGES ago!
Ah but why didn’t we?
Oh, thats right.
Because laws and norms are a formality, a kind of etiquette, a masquerade, nothing more, really.
Power does whatever the fuck it wants to, justifies it however it wants to.
If it doesn’t do something… it’s because it doesn’t want to.
It’s
insanecompletely unsurprising that impeachment hasn’t happened yetOtherwise yeah…
If the emancipatory tech1 gets leaked and proliferated, it may easily obsolete the paradigm of resource wars, jingoism and genocide.
1 Right to the spaceships that can print another of themselves instantly, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home in, zero-point energy powered and with zero-inertia propulsion, and all the other clean energy, and construction tech sufficient to build giant forest arcologies and connect them up.
and unless the legislative branch does something to remove the cancer from the White House, then I don’t see justice being delivered
Unfortunately, this is America and it always has been. This isn’t a cancer, it’s the system functioning as intended and as it always has.
Justice won’t be served, but cheer up. You can also argue this is just business as usual. For example, this is not the first foreign leader the US has kidnapped. There have been a few. Fun fact: Noriega* was also kidnapped on the third of January. And hey, if Maduro is convicted for drug trafficking, maybe Trump can pardon him like he did the former drug trafficking president of Honduras.
Sure, Hegseth is an alcoholic nazi. But unlike Colin Powell, he didn’t start his career in politics by whitewashing the My Lai massacre, and hasn’t contributed to the death of up to 1.2 million people (yet).
And if the government of Venezuela doesn’t decide to spontaneously cave and Trump does decide to send the troops in, I’m sure this particular Special Military Operation will be over in three days.
*Bit of a tangent, have you read the wikipedia article on Noriega? It’s a real eye-opener. For example:
… The district court held that information about the operations in which Noriega had played a part supposedly in return for payment from the U.S. was not relevant to his defense. It ruled that “the tendency of such evidence to confuse the issues before the jury substantially outweighed any probative value it might have had.” … Information about Noriega’s connections to the CIA, including his alleged contact with Bush, were kept out of the trial.
They convicted him of drug trafficking, but failed to mention to the jury that he’d also been doing it for the US government and the CIA.
TLDR: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
Never mind the fact that the only reason the CIA’s boy - Noriega - came to power in Panama was thanks to the assassination of Omar Torrijos… almost certainly at the hands of the CIA.
His son Martín Torrijos was also president for a bit. Elected, not a dictator.
The Trump administration revoked his visa a few months ago. Basically a warning not to criticise the US government.
So I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s one of the next interventions. Venezuela, Cuba, Columbia, Mexico, Panama, …
On the bright side as a European, perhaps this will keep Trump distracted for a few years, before he starts bombing Greenland and Denmark.
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I don’t get the use of the word “demonic”. Demons aren’t real, the US however, is.
Name is weirdly appropriate.
… that’s a fairly funny thing to say, from a person with the username y0kai.
Even funnier that it’s being called out by someone with the username being a l33t sp34k version of the word “spectral”
I mean, I’m all in favor of spooky, fantastic, imagery and language, with layered meanings and connotations, when appropriate.
I’m not arguing against it’s use, with a mildly leet-speak version of a kind of demon/vengeful spirit from Japanese folklore, as a username.
… Do you see the difference?
I’m not saying you’re against it. I’m just saying it’s a funny coincidence that your name is also a word for a supernatural entity related to ghosts/spirits.
Ah!
Well then, I guess we’ll have to see if a shinigami or phantasm shows up, maybe a poltergeist will figure out how to work a keyboard =P
They didn’t call them demons, they called them demonic
One of the things I’ve realized over the years is that it’s so hard to talk to people about capitalism and AmeriKKKan imperialism in particular because the reality is so much more evil than the rest of humanity is able to come up with, and the actual words (e.g. capitalism) are taboo.
Like if demons were real, the AmeriKKKan capitalist class would be worse.
And IMO, it’s usually a safe choice to sacrifice some precision for agitprop.
I don’t see a problem.
The idea is to create resonance - not dot the "i"s on some secular fundamentalist check list.
It certainly has the right… but that doesn’t mean it has the ability. These creeps just waltzed in and did their dirty business just like that - I’d hate to be a member of the Venezuelan military right now.
One thing is for certain - the global south simply cannot rely on conventional militaries for protection.
No one is safe. Not even allies.
The US doesn’t have any allies - just patsies it hasn’t stabbed in the back yet.
Sorry to break it to you, but the US has already stabbed most of its allies in the back on at least one occasion.
You “hate to break” something to me that I literally stated in the post you are responding to?
You said US allies are “patsies it hasn’t stabbed in the back yet.”
I was pointing out they (invariably) have been stabbed in the back already.
That was fundamentally implied in the statement, don’t you think?
My comment fundamentally implied it wasn’t.
You’re welcome.
The global south is so ruined and in so much turmoil almost exclusively due to the damage caused by powerful countries in the north
This is really unfair to those of us called demonic by our parents.
Can we rephrase this with less splash damage?
When (y)our parents say it, they are referring to actual demons though
Who also don’t deserve this slander!
How about AmeriKKKan?
Works.
I can’t tell if this is pro-Maduro or anti-Maduro but either way it’s in bad taste.
EDIT: The image URL leads to Hexbear, so absolutely the red fascists. In fact, they’re probably simultaneously mad that Maduro was taken and thankful for Trump giving them something to screetch about.
It’s neither, it’s anti-imperial and anti-colonial. We don’t need to establish moral purity before the global south gets to have basic international rights.
Okay this should be good. Why on earth is this in bad taste?
Pick an option first.
Let’s go with pro-Maduro first. Why would this image be in bad taste if it is a pro-Maduro image?
“Demonic captors” implies that the US Monroe Doctrine is a “demonic capture” of South America rather than defending it from colonists like those who came before the 20th century. Maduro was a self elected dictator, bringing that kind of authoritarian “freedom” to the rest of South America would cause undue hardship for everyone and is exactly what real Anarchists would oppose.
This is not to defend Trump, what Trump did was highly illegal and he should be deposed and punished for his many crimes.
implies that the US Monroe Doctrine is a “demonic capture” of South America rather than defending it from colonists like those who came before the 20th century.
Wouldn’t use the word “demonic” since demons aren’t real, but yeah, it’s definitely imperialist hegemonic abuse.
As for your ridiculous assertion that the Monroe Doctrine is all about “defending [Latin America] from colonists”, that would make a lot more sense if not for the fact that all the “colonists” that the US “defend” against are Left wing (by name if not always by deed) leaders native to the respective countries who aren’t sufficiently enthusiastically embracing exploitation at the hands of US business interests.
When Argentina declared war on the OG colonists to reclaim their territory in the Falklands War, the US first tried to kinda sorta but not really play the neutral peacemaker and then took the side of the colonists.
Maduro was a self elected dictator
Selected by his vastly superior in every way predecessor Hugo Chavez (whom the US hated at LEAST as much as Maduro), not himself.
That he’s since been awful and corrupt and quite possibly unduly influenced at least one election doesn’t justify kidnapping and deposing him and bombing his people. If it did, doing the same thing in Washington DC would logically be equally legitimate.
bringing that kind of authoritarian “freedom” to the rest of South America would cause undue hardship for everyone
So what the rest of South America needs is the fascism of the Trump administration in stead? Sounds like you’re very heavily implying that you only mind authoritarian rule when it’s not of the flavor that you’ve been indoctrinated to accept.
is exactly what real Anarchists would oppose.
About time you were right about anything. Then again, FASCISM AND IMPERIALISM are also exactly what real anarchists oppose.
This is not to defend Trump
Sure, you’re just defending Trump’s ACTIONS, which have nothing to do with defending Trump! 🙄
what Trump did was highly illegal and he should be deposed and punished for his many crimes
Correct for the second time, but like the first time, COMPLETELY at odds with everything else you said.
Terrific. And since you implied the existence of the other option: if it was an anti-Maduro image, why would it be in poor taste?
The sort of people who support this sort of “liberation” of Venezuela also support the illegal military operation invasion are also supporters of Trump holding absolute power and want further actions to control Venezuela’s people and resources, which is exactly what real Anarchists would oppose.
This is not to defend Maduro, who was an undemocratic dictator.
Excellent.
So, where in the image are anarchists defending Maduro specifically? Yeah I’m no fucking fan of Maduro but there’s a wildly more consequential problem on Venezuelan hands, namely AmeriKKKan imperialism.
You are making me waste bandwidth every time you make me explicitly bring this up, bandwidth which is better spent at speaking out against the US and their lies. It should be obvious that any support for Maduro from anarchists is extremely critical.
Actually, where on earth is anyone defending Maduro specifically? Even amongst state socialists, he’s not a popular guy!
And also come the fuck on with this ‘the Monroe Doctrine isn’t colonialism’ silliness. It’s not European colonialism; it’s AmeriKKKan colonialism. Same shit, different managers.
The Monroe doctrine is paternalistic and colonialist in nature. The US has zero right to be dictating anything to the peoples of South America.
The US is a rogue state who doesn’t abide by international law and routinely flexes it’s might against smaller nations to enforce it’s own ambitions onto the will of others. This has been the case since it’s inception. Maduro is nothing compared to the problems of America, anyone focusing on him instead of stopping the US needs to reassess their priorities.
