[green, speaking, looking smug]
Okay, hear me out, here’s the plan…
We go full apathy, basically we let capitalism fully spiral out into fascism. Once it’s done, people will rise up and the system will collapse under its own weight. From its ashes, with our help, a better society will rise. This is how we win.
[we now see that green is tied up in front of a bleak wall, along with a group of other people, being aimed at by a firing squad of characters in fascist uniforms]
[green, smiling] OK?
[blue, pissed] Dude…
Accelerationism isn’t just being apathetic, it’s actively making things worse. It’s voting for Trump because the DNC didn’t elect Bernie Sanders.
Lenin was much the same. He knew a revolution wouldn’t happen if things got better, so he did everything he could to make things as bad as humanly possible. When the provisional government came along, granted free speech rights and universal suffrage, Lenin was vehemently opposed to it, because you can’t have a communist revolution when stuff is going well. A stable government is not one you can overthrow.
Governments (nations) are in their nature not stable. Governments can be overthrown at any moment. It is a question of how many are willing to participate, which is not that many.
Not Lenin’s reasoning, nor is it as a statement true. Revolutions have happened exactly at points where things were looking up, take the transitions that have happened in history where monarchies were superseded by the liberal state. It is not a cyclical trend where, oh no, we have some sort of downtrend in productivity or some other sort of crisis and then the magical revolution comes to save the day. Revolutions happen because systems are forced to adopt organisational structures that satisfy (novel) needs, not because of shittiness.
It’s just that somehow those novel needs are always coincidentally “people can’t afford bread”
Just as a counterexample: revolutions have been spurred on by the need to stop military conflicts and territories not advancing quickly enough relative to other countries. What you always see are demands by a section of people that evolve into movements, like that of capitalists to transform the peasant class and employ it.
Revolutions are not one-sided phenomena. They are not merely riots in the street carried out by the most impoverished. Capitalists themselves are moving beyond the demands that defined their class two hundred years ago. In the United States they are moving away from competition as a pervasive principle to very intentional centralisation. There has been a push to abandon antitrust legislation. For the individual capitalists this is needed and a logical step, but it fuels their own demise long term when it becomes a societal trend. You only need a comparatively tiny spark from below release the potential energy accrued by capital.
What you have in mind are certain narratives on the French revolution. Conversely I can ask why countries that experience famine or affordability crises don’t experience revolutions.
The provisional goverment was unelected and self-appointed, arrested people for arguing in favor of refusing to fight in WWI, and after months of protests said they would allow women to vote whenever they got around to having an election but women couldn’t vote until 20 and men 18.
Lenin wasn’t opposed to the provisional government when it came along because he was in Germany and didn’t know how mad a lot of people were at the random gang of Chuck Schumers from the Tsarist government who had declared themselves in charge, ignoring the Soviets that were already forming an elected government, and spent months stalling their version of an election so they could keep the incredibly unpopular WWI going.
Lenin started opposing the provisional government after 20k awol marines with machine guns showed up at his office saying they hated it, he said ok and then spent a couple months writing a book to explain why the angry guys with guns have a point.
If he was trying to be accelerationist he would have just hyped up the marines and let them shoot everybody instead of following the path of least resistance to a stable government that could last 6 months without a coup.
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There has never been a centrist who cares.
so i was part of a group of friends in high school. we campaigned (at the high school, by wearing buttons and thinking up stupid slogans, not really getting involved in politics) for the green party because by our logic, we couldn’t convince democrats to vote republican because they were too smart for that. but we could trick them into voting green.
of my close friends group in high school, only half to 3/4 of us ever grew up. there’s one friend in particular i’m thinking of though, he was a “bernie bro” online until bernie lost. after the 2016 election he told us that he tried to commit voter fraud for the russian candidate. in a way that would get noticed and his first vote rejected, also a method that had been discussed online on forums associated with agent krasnov and promoted by agent krasnov himself, but my friend has always been a dipshit. i mean hell so have i. evidence, paragraph 1.
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You have anecdotal “evidence” with a sample size of 1 and using it to make a sweeping, generalization statement.
i’m having a conversation, not making sweeping generalizations dude. get over yourself.
You are having a conversation in which you have made sweeping generalizations. Don’t be fucking stupid.
you don’t like that my experience with your group paints you badly, and so you insult me aiming to improve my opinion of your group. bravo doctor. impressive logic and reason. no wonder so many people have similar “anecdotal” evidence.
Sure, they do bud. Cause they totally aren’t just strawmen made up to support their arguments.
I never claimed to try and endear you to my group. I give zero shits how you feel about it.
Nice attempt at the psychoanalysis of a complete stranger through a single comment on the Internet by making wild assumptions about intention.
Your anecdotal experience is not proof of your bullshit strawman argument. You have no idea how logic works.
You give so zero shits you gotta keep getting on here to defend your hurt fee fee
I think you forgot the part where the provisional government wanted to keep drafting people to feed into the pointless meat grinder of WWI, which Lenin opposed rather strongly.
Accelerationism is when you vote. And the more you vote, the faster things get
I voted for Biden and things did indeed get worse. Now we see that Trump was voted in and they are getting worse. Soon we will vote in a new Congress and then a new President and things will continue to get worse.
Thankfully I stopped voting after Biden, so my bad luck 🍀 has peaked.
PSA to all the “voters” out there. I no longer worry about politics because I know that things can only get worse. 😎
I mean, you joke. But folks really do seem to believe there’s a karmic curse on people who “vote wrong”. That’s the entire theory of Leopards Eating Faces, anyway.
That’s just cause & effect.
Are things going to keep getting worse? Probably.
Do you need to vote if that’s the case? Not really, but it’s an external locus of control. You feel you have power because you got to choose who made things worse.