Yeah, it’s one thing to be leery of men because any one of them could be dangerous. It’s quite another to claim that men “tend to” defend rapists and child molesters unless it suits them.
i’m also a man. i don’t think it’s seen as “typical,” but maybe more common than you think, however disheartening that is.
you’re slightly annoyed when women are mistrustful of men. women are literally scared because of what some men do.
can you blame them? go check out the FBI sex offender map and type in your neighborhood. you might be surprised. keep in mind this is only the people who actually got caught. does the saying “not all men. but always a man” bother you too?
edit: i want to add: aside from celebrities who “no one would have ever suspected!” e.g., bill cosby, neil gaiman, and on and on, i’ve personally known more than a couple people (men) who turned out to be creeps, and shocked everyone who knew them. a couple went to prison for it.
yea, it sucks that women have to be wary, but i’ll never criticize women for something that’s 0% their fault
edit 2: if you’re a man, and you feel butthurt by the OP, i won’t tell you how to feel, but my advice is this: instead of your immediate reaction of “this woman is wrong! she needs to fix herself!” maybe take a minute to say “what must this woman have gone through in order to say such a thing?” because while she might be technically incorrect that “all men are just like elon musk,” attitudes and comments like this don’t just “happen”
also consider the fact that elon musk says “empathy is weakness.” and you’re throwing empathy out the window, just like elon wanted, when you immediately say “i’m the victim here!”
empathy is not weakness, it’s STRENGTH. it’s painful to feel someone else’s pain, and to impose that pain willingly upon yourself. musk and people who behave like him (like victims) are the fucking weak ones. is empathy a good thing?
in america, human beings who have done nothing wrong are being dehumanized, kidnapped, shipped away. or just murdered. you tell me whether empathy is better or worse for society?
You’re reading wrong into my comment. I’m not annoyed because of the mistrust, I see where it comes from, and I’ve also witnessed some creepers from close by. However, the post literally says “and that’s how men tend to be” in regard to Musk’s behaviour. So it is seen as typical.
Another thing to consider is that I’m not from the US, so the things going on in my country might be a little less extreme. Not that I want to suggest there are no predators over here, but it is different.
yea. you’re annoyed, i get it. maybe the assumption that all men are just evil is a defense mechanism for someone who fears for their life. that’s just one voice though.
but yea, i’m in america. we have a rapist for president dictator
I wouldn’t ever criticize women for being wary of men by default, but I would criticize someone for comparing me (and all other men) to fucking Musk. There is a difference between saying “enough men are dangerous that I should assume they’re always a threat” and “all men are the same as one of the most despicable people of our time”.
There is a difference between saying “enough men are dangerous that I should assume they’re always a threat” and “all men are the same as one of the most despicable people of our time”.
yea. we live in a world where some women think all men are absolute scumbags. maybe in a country that elected a rapist as president. you’re making it sound like we’ve got it so hard in life, with these few women who just hate men. how much time have you spent wondering if you might be raped (or raped AND murdered)? by someone you never expected. someone at a party. someone at work. in a parking lot. or at school (by a student OR teacher). or at church. or by a cop.
i mean you can call me an asshole if it makes you feel better, but it’s not YOU i have sympathy for
Maybe by now I’ve just steered clear of enough people on Lemmy that I’m actually seeing these comments, and maybe you were here the whole time, but there has been a noticeable (to me) increase in real allyship from men on here. Just want to let you know it’s greatly appreciated. If you didn’t comment this, chances are a woman would have and the backlash would have been worse. This comment 100% “gets it” and is what solidarity looks like. I was reading a post recently by a woman who is giving up on lemmy because of the rampant misogyny, and I have felt the same at times, but comments like this make me feel so much better about staying.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t exchange lived experiences, because so much of empathy and understanding is locked behind that. For what it’s worth, I believe most men replying here really just want to be given a chance and have their effort recognized, but their comments show a lack of understanding that’s hard to get at.
I was seeing a guy who had “all the right opinions” and we were in a situation where we were going to have to interact with someone who sexually assaulted children. I informed him ahead of time and was as clear as to the nature of this person. My boyfriend talked a big game about how he was going to refuse to engage with such an awful person etc etc. After they met, on our ride back from the event he asked if I could go into detail about the sexual assault this person allegedly did because after meeting him my partner was sure that it was just some kind of misunderstanding. He was sure he could just tell this guy was so nice and would never do such a thing. They got along great. How do you explain to someone that “just asking questions” or “wanting to know the facts” is not the right response, especially only AFTER meeting someone. This kind of interaction feels similar to me because on its own it’s understandable to not want to be lumped in with musk, it’s understandable to want to know all the facts, but in context the pushback is the problem.
My comment is getting a bit off topic, so just generally thank you for being in the comments saying this. It’s refreshing to see it and it’s greatly appreciated.
thanks for that. it is depressing, seeing a bunch of men acting like they are the “victims” here. in a community focused on women.
that’s exactly the sort of response elon musk is looking for when he says “empathy is weakness.” people just aren’t paying enough attention to realize how little attention they’re paying
So when you say humans you mean women from your comment correct? But more men are murdered then women did they deserve it? And if they did how many women deserved it? Because if you think some deserved it that are men the answer for the women would not be zero.
where did i say anything about “deserve” anything?
to clear up any misunderstanding, i was talking about ALL human beings, and how the lack of empathy is causing way too many people to be totally fine with treating certain humans whose only “crime” is being brown as if they’re criminals and don’t “deserve” the due process that’s guaranteed by this country’s constitution.
this is how we have a country loaded with people who happily support policies that oppress “other,” and only get mad when something affects them personally. aka the leopardseatingfaces party. point being we need MORE empathy, not less, like what musk wants
Whining on the internet isn’t one of them. Not tgat im generally against that, but if you want to distance yourself from musk in particular, maybe not the best technique.
I’m a man, and I don’t like it when the behaviour of Musk is viewed as typical men behaviour.
Yeah, it’s one thing to be leery of men because any one of them could be dangerous. It’s quite another to claim that men “tend to” defend rapists and child molesters unless it suits them.
i’m also a man. i don’t think it’s seen as “typical,” but maybe more common than you think, however disheartening that is.
you’re slightly annoyed when women are mistrustful of men. women are literally scared because of what some men do.
can you blame them? go check out the FBI sex offender map and type in your neighborhood. you might be surprised. keep in mind this is only the people who actually got caught. does the saying “not all men. but always a man” bother you too?
https://www.nsopw.gov/
edit: i want to add: aside from celebrities who “no one would have ever suspected!” e.g., bill cosby, neil gaiman, and on and on, i’ve personally known more than a couple people (men) who turned out to be creeps, and shocked everyone who knew them. a couple went to prison for it.
yea, it sucks that women have to be wary, but i’ll never criticize women for something that’s 0% their fault
edit 2: if you’re a man, and you feel butthurt by the OP, i won’t tell you how to feel, but my advice is this: instead of your immediate reaction of “this woman is wrong! she needs to fix herself!” maybe take a minute to say “what must this woman have gone through in order to say such a thing?” because while she might be technically incorrect that “all men are just like elon musk,” attitudes and comments like this don’t just “happen”
also consider the fact that elon musk says “empathy is weakness.” and you’re throwing empathy out the window, just like elon wanted, when you immediately say “i’m the victim here!”
empathy is not weakness, it’s STRENGTH. it’s painful to feel someone else’s pain, and to impose that pain willingly upon yourself. musk and people who behave like him (like victims) are the fucking weak ones. is empathy a good thing?
in america, human beings who have done nothing wrong are being dehumanized, kidnapped, shipped away. or just murdered. you tell me whether empathy is better or worse for society?
You’re reading wrong into my comment. I’m not annoyed because of the mistrust, I see where it comes from, and I’ve also witnessed some creepers from close by. However, the post literally says “and that’s how men tend to be” in regard to Musk’s behaviour. So it is seen as typical.
Another thing to consider is that I’m not from the US, so the things going on in my country might be a little less extreme. Not that I want to suggest there are no predators over here, but it is different.
yea. you’re annoyed, i get it. maybe the assumption that all men are just evil is a defense mechanism for someone who fears for their life. that’s just one voice though.
but yea, i’m in america. we have a rapist for
presidentdictatorI wouldn’t ever criticize women for being wary of men by default, but I would criticize someone for comparing me (and all other men) to fucking Musk. There is a difference between saying “enough men are dangerous that I should assume they’re always a threat” and “all men are the same as one of the most despicable people of our time”.
yea. we live in a world where some women think all men are absolute scumbags. maybe in a country that elected a rapist as president. you’re making it sound like we’ve got it so hard in life, with these few women who just hate men. how much time have you spent wondering if you might be raped (or raped AND murdered)? by someone you never expected. someone at a party. someone at work. in a parking lot. or at school (by a student OR teacher). or at church. or by a cop.
i mean you can call me an asshole if it makes you feel better, but it’s not YOU i have sympathy for
Maybe by now I’ve just steered clear of enough people on Lemmy that I’m actually seeing these comments, and maybe you were here the whole time, but there has been a noticeable (to me) increase in real allyship from men on here. Just want to let you know it’s greatly appreciated. If you didn’t comment this, chances are a woman would have and the backlash would have been worse. This comment 100% “gets it” and is what solidarity looks like. I was reading a post recently by a woman who is giving up on lemmy because of the rampant misogyny, and I have felt the same at times, but comments like this make me feel so much better about staying.
It’s unfortunate that people can’t exchange lived experiences, because so much of empathy and understanding is locked behind that. For what it’s worth, I believe most men replying here really just want to be given a chance and have their effort recognized, but their comments show a lack of understanding that’s hard to get at.
I was seeing a guy who had “all the right opinions” and we were in a situation where we were going to have to interact with someone who sexually assaulted children. I informed him ahead of time and was as clear as to the nature of this person. My boyfriend talked a big game about how he was going to refuse to engage with such an awful person etc etc. After they met, on our ride back from the event he asked if I could go into detail about the sexual assault this person allegedly did because after meeting him my partner was sure that it was just some kind of misunderstanding. He was sure he could just tell this guy was so nice and would never do such a thing. They got along great. How do you explain to someone that “just asking questions” or “wanting to know the facts” is not the right response, especially only AFTER meeting someone. This kind of interaction feels similar to me because on its own it’s understandable to not want to be lumped in with musk, it’s understandable to want to know all the facts, but in context the pushback is the problem.
My comment is getting a bit off topic, so just generally thank you for being in the comments saying this. It’s refreshing to see it and it’s greatly appreciated.
thanks for that. it is depressing, seeing a bunch of men acting like they are the “victims” here. in a community focused on women.
that’s exactly the sort of response elon musk is looking for when he says “empathy is weakness.” people just aren’t paying enough attention to realize how little attention they’re paying
So when you say humans you mean women from your comment correct? But more men are murdered then women did they deserve it? And if they did how many women deserved it? Because if you think some deserved it that are men the answer for the women would not be zero.
where did i say anything about “deserve” anything?
to clear up any misunderstanding, i was talking about ALL human beings, and how the lack of empathy is causing way too many people to be totally fine with treating certain humans whose only “crime” is being brown as if they’re criminals and don’t “deserve” the due process that’s guaranteed by this country’s constitution.
this is how we have a country loaded with people who happily support policies that oppress “other,” and only get mad when something affects them personally. aka the leopardseatingfaces party. point being we need MORE empathy, not less, like what musk wants
Yeah, these are not typical men. They’re narcissists.
Most men are disgusted by predators; however there are a not insignificant number of men out there that aren’t.
Theres a couple ways to fix that.
Whining on the internet isn’t one of them. Not tgat im generally against that, but if you want to distance yourself from musk in particular, maybe not the best technique.
You might be right, but that is not the claim that was made. Do you know other men who are predators? That was the subject.
No, the meme literally goes;
“Elon did this thing”
“This is how men act”
Unfortunately, in some ways, it is.
He is of course also a deranged little freak. But lots of his stuff is normal kinds of deranged.