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      a lot of awful things happen just today (not to mention historically) because of religion, tbf to be more precise, due to religious justifications

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        sure, and in 1958 they started killing all the sparrows in china and 15 million+ people starved to death. It’s not religion atheism that caused that one; turns out that people fuck up whatever they want to and blame it on whatever; it doesn’t mean the thing they are blaming caused the thing that happened

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          They didn’t say all bad things happened because of religion. Your example has nothing to do with religion at all, it was pure human stupidity, but when religious people do pure evil with the only justification being “because my religion says so”, you can’t not attribute it to religion if you want to be honest.

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            so when a schizophrenic kills a busfull of orphans and says Jesus told him to do it, the pope is to blame?

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                No, I think “religious” wars are done for the acquisition of resources and use religion as propaganda to obtain support

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                  It’s very convenient if for every example of religiously motivated atrocities you can just say “Nuh-huh, when they say ‘I do an atrocity in the name of my religion because my religion says that I should’ they actually secretly do it for some other unrelated reason”.
                  But even in this version of reality you propose, when nobody was ever motivated by religion to do anything bad, when someone says “let’s go kill all the heretics and steal their shit because our god says so”, killing the heretics still comes first, and it wouldn’t be as effective as “let’s go kill our neighbors and steal their shit because I want their shit”. If religion gives an excuse instead of justification, it’s still just as bad.
                  But I reiterate that we don’t live in your magical reality, and religion is both motivation and justification for a lot of shit.

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                    If religion gives an excuse instead of justification, it’s still just as bad.

                    Anything can be abused as an excuse, that doesn’t make the thing being falsely accused of being the excuse is to blame. Otherwise atheism is responsible for any suffering caused by an atheist.

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      yeah. all my religion wants people to do is eat good food and throw cookouts (preferably by the sea) where you invite the whole neighborhood AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART DON’T GIVE THEM FOOD POISONING we already had cults do food poisoning around here and i want to try something original.

      we could probably do better by going vegan but my diet really doesn’t work with that and it’s my cult and i’m gonna be selfish about one thing.