• FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
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    3 days ago

    Trump’s and Bernie’s plans would both require congress because the president literally has no access to funds without it.

    I worry about people spreading these lies because it is in fact a great policy stance.

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      2 days ago

      If it’s a great policy stance, they should do it now when they know they have control of both legislatures. Why wait?

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              24 hours ago

              Right, so what they’re doing is not a great policy stance, contrary to what you said earlier.

              Bernie didn’t have the power to deliver on his promises without winning the election, Trump already won and has control of all three branches. It’s objectively massively different to Bernie, or any other office-seeking politician, running on a platform of what they would try to do once elected. It’s the difference between, “Here’s what I’ll try to accomplish if I win,” and “Here’s something I could do now but I won’t, I’ll only do it later and only if you vote how I say.” I’d argue it’s closer to extortion than a bribe, but no matter what you call it, it’s a terrible, evil policy stance.

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                24 hours ago

                Look, if Trump campaigned tomorrow that he would uncap the house and end exceptions to the antislavery ammendment, I’d call all of you motherfuckers as you are for repeating his lies.

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                  16 hours ago

                  That’s a yummy looking word salad you’ve tossed up there, don’t forget the dressing! Ooh, and croutons, 😋😋😋

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      Your suposition is that the power of the purse still applies here. Trump has operated the executive as a collective slush fund, many times using horrible arguments that fail in court and then proceeding anyways. Also he’s allocated money from military coup projects like Venezuala to funds not under congressional control illegally.

      Bernies plan is to first expand Medicare to all ages. Going off Trump’s logic this would be done by directing CMS by executive order to adjust the rates, the treasury department to allocate the necessary trust fund expenditures, the IRS to apply the necessary taxes, and the justice department to aggressively target every single possible violation in the private health insurance industry. Bernie’s actual plan is to use the bully pulpit as intended to pressure congress to act in accordance with those changes ahead of time, completely different. That’s because Trump moves to erode government into the pockets of the rich and Bernie seeks to build it stronger to benefit everyone. Executive overreach expansion has only been applied to benefit the rich effectively where everywhere else it had failed.

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        2 days ago

        The DHS and especially ICE also lost funding and shut down a lot of offices for over a month until the GOP passed a reconciliation bill.

        Even if overreach is occuring he is not going to pull 1.5 Trillion Dollars out of his ass.