• Hawanja@lemmy.world
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    This is total B.S. Kamala Harris gave the standard response to those questions that any American politician gives, i.e. “Say something that doesn’t make you look weak but also doesn’t committ.” That’s why it says “but she said she would not discuss hypotheticals.” She gave a non-comittal answer which her political opposition could not use against her. In real life Biden and Harris were committed to the same route that Obama took, which was to actually make a non-nuclear proliferation deal with Iran.

    Did she support Israel? Yes. But to claim she would’ve started this same war with Iran is simply rediculous.

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      Why do you think it’s such a far fetched idea that she would’ve started or participated in a war in Iran? She wanted to have “the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.” For what? Our own protection? You don’t become the most lethal fighting force in the world by reacting, you accomplish it through action. And as others have already pointed out, she’s beholden to Israel and if they would’ve told her they were going to to strike, and that they expected her to do the same, she would have in a heartbeat because then American gets to fight a war it founds it’s way into through an ally rather than us blatantly attacking them.

      Sorry this war didn’t come with bombs wrapped in a rainbow flag and instead just exposed the bombs openly themselves. But to look at even what the Biden admin said and did in the wake of Trump 1.0 (things fundamentally will not change or something to that effect that Biden said in 2020.) you’d have to be crazy to think a Democrat is going to come in and save you. Especially one that can’t say genocide in Palestine is happening and it is bad.

      Edit: spelling

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        Why do you think it’s such a far fetched idea that she would’ve started or participated in a war in Iran?

        Probably because she’s not an idiot and would actually listen to the generals, and also because she can’t be blackmailed for being a pedophile.

        She wanted to have “the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.”

        This is, once again, the standard response for any American politician running for president - say something that’s non-commital that also doesn’t make you look weak, so it can’t be misused by your political opposition. It is essentially a non-answer. If you look back every presidential candidate has said something similar, except for Trump (as trump usually just admits he wants to drop bombs on people.)

        And as others have already pointed out, she’s beholden to Israel and if they would’ve told her they were going to to strike, and that they expected her to do the same, she would have in a heartbeat because then American gets to fight a war it founds it’s way into through an ally rather than us blatantly attacking them.

        This is an incredibly simplistic and over reductive view of the situation. The reason why they supported Israel’s genocide (among other reasons too extensive to get into here) was because after Oct. 7th the polling was in support of Israel, and it only turned against Israel after they started the genocide. Now you may aruge that the left and progressives were always against the Palestinian genocide, and you’d be correct. But what you’re not getting is that the Democratic Party does not care about it’s left/progressive wing, because those people are not a consistent voting block. Up until rather recently the majority of Americans were in favor of supporting Israel, and they reacted accordingly, because that’s what politicians do.

        Sorry this war didn’t come with bombs wrapped in a rainbow flag and instead just exposed the bombs openly themselves. But to look at even what the Biden admin said and did in the wake of Trump 1.0 (things fundamentally will not change or something to that effect that Biden said in 2020.) you’d have to be crazy to think a Democrat is going to come in and save you. Especially one that can’t say genocide in Palestine is happening and it is bad.

        I don’t see how me stating the fact that Kamala would not have invaded Iran as equivalent to “a Democrat is going to come in and save me.” How about you blame politicans for the things they actually did, and not the shit they didn’t do or you think they’ll do. You’re literally blaming them for starting a war when in real life democrats have a record of ending wars, not starting them.

        Nobody says you have to support democrats, but don’t feed me this crap that somehow they’d be just as bad as republicans because I don’t have time for no bullshit.

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      It’s not bs when combined with her acceptance speech as the democratic presidential candidate she proudly proclaimed she’d improve the military, which yes is unfortunately standard for American politicians, by making the most lethal in the world.

      started this same war with Iran is simply rediculous.

      She would be happy to start it, and with Congress’s blessings. Which they are still hoping eagerly to have trump ask them to vote for

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        Yes it is complete bullshit. Blame the democrats for things they actually do please, do not blame them for things the Republicans do. Look, just read the response I made to @Space_Cowby92

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          Blame the democrats for things they actually do please

          Their incompetence is a major reason why we have trump. Along with their consistency moving right to be more like republicans

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            Really? I thought it was because Leftists and progressives didn’t vote for them because they somehow thought Trump would be better in Gaza.

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              I thought it was because Leftists and progressives didn’t vote

              And there it is. Blaming everyone but the actual issues and causes

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                Am I incorrect in stating that when a politican gets more votes, they win the election?
                Am I also incorrect in stating that leftists and progressives didn’t vote for Kamala because of her position on Gaza?
                Please tell me where I’m incorrect.

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                  Their incompetence is a major reason why we have trump. Along with their consistency moving right to be more like republicans

                  Your response to how incredibly incompetent the democrats have been for decades is blame those the dems consider meaningless, yet you are happy to blame them rather than reflect on the reasons a terrible candidate lost while also expressing how they’re a wonderful candidate who may end up tanking another candidate with promise.

                  Please tell me where I’m incorrect.

                  Every comment in this thread but hasn’t stopped you from feeling superior for punching left.

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                    That’s nifty but I’m not seeing answers to my questions here.
                    Please answer my questions or GTFO

                    I mean, I know leftists and progressives refuse to acknowledge their part in allowing fascism to take over the country, but that doesn’t change reality.