I can spend all day saying that that US capitalism is the biggest global threat to all forms of democracy but I squint my eyes at Putin once and (some!) people here will call me a star-spangled liberal. Frankly it’s frustrating.
I totally see why tankies are pissed off with some of the people who criticize you, because many of those people are indeed absolute idiots, just like most people on the internet. But if you throw everyone you disagree with into the liberal basket, you’ve taken the easy way out.
But if you throw everyone you disagree with into the liberal basket, you’ve taken the easy way out.
Okay, but we’re not doing that. We’re not calling anarchists or other socialists liberals.
We are however calling social democrats liberals, because welfare capitalism is still capitalism.
I think we should admit that there is some oversensitivity with regard to perceived liberal agendas and that sometimes this gives way to reductionist characterisation and dismissal of opposition in our communities.
I also do not think that admitting as such is anything tantamount to confimation of the tankie critique from the liberals (see what I did there?), which is arguably generally even worse on this exact issue.
but I squint my eyes at Putin once
I would be curious to know what exactly this entailed, because if past events are anything to go by it may have been a less than tactful approach.
When I think about all the problems in the world and the best possible use of my time the number one priority must be pushing back against tankies on small network of open source servers. The biggest threat to life on earth are leftists who don’t agree with what is obvious and right, the neutral and objectively correct US centric world view. Should I organize my workplace or go outside and enjoy life? No, I will sit at my computer and harass open source developers with all my free time so I can mitigate this clear and present danger to myself and others.
But enough about rimu, AdmiralPatrick, TanteRegenbogen, PugJesus, and cm0002.
Excuse you OP, don’t you understand that I am NOT aligned with US imperialism.
Must I tap the sign for you all AGAIN
why would you say something so uncontroversial yet so
bravesafeI want to ask a personal question, direct and no sarcasm, if that’s OK. A question to you and to @Dessalines.
Do you rather support Russia or Ukraine? Do you rather support Palestine or Israel?
I stand with the Palestinians without reservation and against the state of Israel.
As for Russia & Ukraine, here’s an info dump.
Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?
In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
- Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
- https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
- CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
- https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
- https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
- HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
- Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
- Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
- Poroshenko saying the quiet part out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk
NATO expansion:
- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
NATO in general:- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Thank you for the answer.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the topic of Palestine and Israel, with strong support for the freedom and independence of Palestine and against the state of Israel.
I’m very thrown aback by your stance on the topic of Ukraine and Russia. In particular:
In a few more words, support for Russia … is only a partial, temporary, tactical one
To me, that is atrocious. It’s a bit like you see a bully beating another person to a pulp on the street, and you say you support this action as a partial, temporary, tactical support. Whichever great cause is set on a pedestal (such as supporting the bully in order for later to overthrow them, what could possibly go wrong), it is a crime to support it.
Right now, the best thing that can happen to Russia, I believe, is stopping the war. That is possible only if Russia as an aggressor country is stopped, and a peace treaty is forced on Russia, whether with Putin alive or not does not matter.
I have trouble processing this world view from an admin of lemmy.ml. I will need to take my time to process this information.
Or the Ukraine flag alongside Palestine flag
like, those two are explicitly incompatible
damn quick trigger, i had JUST edited mine.
I’m actually most concerned about Germans still defending “Israel”'s actions in Gaza (of which at least a part was payed using their taxes). I don’t even know how to label it. Delusion? Stupidity? Hypocrisy? Whatever the correct term is, their way of coming clean with the genocide they commited in the past by supporting a genocide in the present is simply beyond me.
It seems the lesson they learned wasn’t “don’t do genocide” so much as “get someone else to do your dirty work to avoid being held accountable for genocide.”
Neoliberalism loves outsourcing what used to be government work
I don’t think they’ve learned any lesson at all tbh.
They learned that Jews were Aryans
The term you’re looking for is “USA occupation”
Certainly wasn’t on my geopolitical Bingo card
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Devastating critique, I now have no choice but to support nazi torture dungeons
It must take incredible bravery to agree with a country with over 700 military bases outside its borders.
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bold of you to assume I align with anyone
Neither axis nor allies, neither washington nor moscow, neither g7 nor brics, neither israel nor palestine, etc. You’re staying very pure and uncontaminated by the major conflicts of our times.
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Truly brave!
everyone has their bias. the hard part is recognizing and owning whatever it is.
Facts
