• Infomatics90@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    whats a leftist who doesn’t want guns to be legal for citizens and only for military and police? I don’t like capitalism.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlM
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      1 year ago

      doesn’t like capitalism

      only wants state enforcers of capitalism to be armed

      I think that makes you inconsistent

  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    I like any political map that triangulates liberals from the left and right.

    And I love any one that properly omits libertarians.

    • Uiop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      I am getting more and more confused.

      Liberty ≈ Freedom.

      Liberal is someone beliveing in something adjacent to freedom. Libertarian is someone believing in something adjecent to freedom.

      But I only hear bad things about liberals, alright I already knew 'Merricans are stupid, they get angry about a word while not even being autistic. But I also somethymes hear about libertarians. what the fuck is that supposed to be, especially compared to its namely cousin?

      Well I know I’m not being entirely fair to the poor, old 'Murricans, there surely is something they all know about their system, that has not yet reached me. Still calling someone by one of your core tenets ('Murrica, land of the free, home to lady liberty…) and believing that to be an unterstandible slur sure is weird.

      • JayDee@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Sorry, Bud. The names are mostly just advertisements and not necessarily useful for understanding the underlying philosophy.

        American Liberalism (capital ‘L’) is fluid over time at best in its philosophy, and is actively shifting to further elitist interests from a less charitable perspective. It often prioritises corporations over people and cherry picks which cases of violence are or aren’t acceptable by the state.

        American Libertarianism (again, capital ‘L’) is Anarcho-capitalism, which believes the world would be a better place if the state was bordering on non-existent, and companies were allowed to operate completely unregulated.

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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      1 year ago

      Most leftists, generally yes.

      Doesn’t mean they like US style gun culture or obsessed with them. But the system leftists oppose is armed and has/will use those arms upon leftists that gain any significant amount of power.

      Arm the oppressed.

    • MudMan@fedia.io
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      1 year ago

      Honestly, the “likes guns” part doesn’t work anywhere outside the US, if that. And that includes conservatives.

      Internationally I’m pretty sure “hates Trump” would absolutely be in the center, too.

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        1 year ago

        “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Karl Marx

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          This quote applies to Marx’s time though. When armed workers would have had nearly the same arsenal as a professional military. When horse carriages and trains were the only way to move soldiers at all.

          In the age of tanks, jets and missiles, do you seriously believe workers have the slightest chance against a military? It takes a single nuke to crush a revolution that is not supported by the military.

  • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    What do liberals like?

    I’m only told what they dislike. I even know what conservatives like, that’s an easy answer. Liberals, I haven’t a clue.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      1 year ago

      Given their recent electoral strategies, they mostly expect to be elected for not being Trump/conservative.