More’s the pity.

I did what again? By voting for Harris? I mean maybe I did, but I wouldn’t assume she would have been that bad.

By your own admission you have given up. You aren’t fighting for anything so, your motivations are clearly on venting. Mine aren’t.

My intent is to have the best candidate possible to defeat whatever clown the Republicans put up in 2028. I want the Harris campaign to be seen for what it was, the last gasp of failed neoliberal politics. If it’s not, then people will believe the same old story that only a “centrist” can beat a Republican. If Democratic voters buy that again, then maybe we will be done. Even then, I won’t be giving up.

It’s clear that you think this started with Trump, but it didn’t. I’ve been fighting this fight since GWB was president. Over and over Democratic voters bought the establishment’s lies. Trump and MAGA are the result, not the cause. Fuck anyone giving the establishment another excuse for their failure.

That’s not even close to being a reasonable interpretation of anything I’ve said.

Saying Biden was worse than Trump on Gaza is batshit.

Saying Biden was worse than Trump on Gaza is batshit.

I said arguably worse. Trump’s rhetoric is certainly worse. He doesn’t even pretend to give a shit about Palestinian lives. On the other hand, he doesn’t give a shit about Israeli lives either. Because of that, and his dream of a piece prize, he might actually stumble into a better outcome.

One of the very first things Trump did after being sworn in was release all the holds Biden placed on arms to Israel.

Biden put temporary holds on a few weapons, and they were mostly withdrawn before Trump even took office. At the same time, Biden was signing new arms deals to give them more weapons. Also, you never would have seen Biden negotiating behind Israel’s back with Iran.

and protest non-voting

What makes you think those votes would have all gone to Harris? Where is your evidence that the non-votes were specifically intended to protest and not just the usual result of a worn out and disengaged public? The 2020 election was high turnout and 2024 was a regression to the mean. I’m sure some people stayed home in protest, but if they were, as you say, radicalized, I think they would have gone third party.

Not voting is stupid. Voting 3rd party right now is stupid.

Did I say otherwise? But you know what else is stupid? Trying to rally voters by calling them stupid. Remember that day your mom refused to buy you the twinkies at the store and you called her stupid? Did you get the twinkies?

Destroying the far-right is more urgent than building the far-left.

The establishment has been saying exactly that forever, and look where that got us. That’s a shortcut to nowhere. You can’t beat fascism with neoliberalism. It’s failing everywhere in the world that it’s being tried.

If you want to back a leftist, have them infiltrate one of the parties so they can be part of the binary choice.

Did you see me advocate an outside strategy. I bet you didn’t. Know why you didn’t? Go ahead, guess.

The people who backed Cuomo are better than the ones who back MAGA.

It’s not about moral judgements, it’s about cause and effect. The people who backed Cuomo caused MAGA.

What the actual fuck? Sorry, I’m not a voice in your head. I don’t even think thats an actual sentence.

You want to give up, then give up. That’s what Harris did too, so it fits. I’ll stand with the fighters.

I explicitly said that I voted for Harris. Of course Harris would be better than Trump, in a myriad of ways. Why the fuck do you think you have to explain that to me?

Biden not stepping down isn’t a coincidence. It was a direct result of the entitlement of neoliberal politicians and the absolute disregard they have for the voters.

I’m not as certain of the overthrow of our election system as you are. Until the election doesn’t happen, I will act like it will. If it does happen, will you even remember how badly you got it wrong? I doubt it. You’ll probably go back to lecturing voters and thinking that’s how to win elections.

Did you see the same campaign I did? Of course she failed us.

What exactly is the point of blaming voters anyways? Should we nominate better voters in 2028? Blaming the voters in politics is tantamount to giving up.

Yes, American voters and, by extension, American culture has massively deteriorated. You won’t get any disagreement from me there. But then you have to wonder how we got this way, and neoliberalism is at the core of it. Neoliberalism is the soil for fascism, and the current Democratic establishment will never stop doubling down on neoliberalism.

They couldn’t even manage a fascist parade.

Lemmings do determine DNC policy. We determined policy when we nominated Biden in 2020. I want to make sure the lemmings don’t do the same kind of thing in 2028.

The “both sides” thing is generally idiotic, but Gaza is not the ground I would choose to make that argument. Biden was arguably worse on Gaza, even as he pretended to give a shit about Palestinians. You do know it came out that all that pressure he said he was putting on Netanyahu was bullshit, right?

Third parties weren’t even a factor in this election. Harris would have needed almost every single third party vote (including the libertarians) to win the popular vote, and that wouldn’t have gotten her the electoral college.

It’s time for the lemmings to call the establishment to account. This is the time when we prepare for 2028, and we need to do everything we can to destroy the people driving the party into the ground. The people who backed Cuomo in New York are not going to save us.

Who said I didn’t vote? I did vote. I voted for Harris, and she failed us. I was ready to get on the Kamala train, then watched day by day as she threw the election away.

Gosh, with your attitude I just don’t get why Democrats don’t attract more voters.

Yeah, just look at that idiot in charge. Don’t think about the idiots who lost an election to him.

What guard did we try to change? It was still Pelosi, Schumer, and Kamala Harris who literally ran on not changing anything from the Biden administration. There was no changing of the guard, and yeah, look what happened. Harris ran the perfect establishment campaign, we lost, and the establishment learned nothing.

I voted for Harris. She let us down, not the other way around. Fuck letting them do it again. Even if they got elected, they aren’t up to governing this nation as it is now. They don’t have the backbone, the imagination, or the leadership to fix what they allowed Trump to do in this country.

Republicans inspire anger and lead people to hate. Democrats inspire nothing and lead people nowhere. Then Democrats are surprised when they can’t win because people are angry and hateful. They drove the party and this country into the ground.

Have we met? What the fuck are you talking about about? Providing weapons and international support for an active genocide is not a great campaign strategy. You don’t win elections by claiming to kill less children than the other guy. No matter how true it might be, it’s not exactly going to lift grass roots enthusiasm.

The Democrats let the party deteriorate to the point that Trump successfully ran as the peace candidate, and the workers’ candidate. It’s fucking pathetic that they just let him run away with that, but how do you counter it while supporting a genocide?

I’m not whining, and I’m not living with it. I’m recognizing that the Democratic establishment is the first enemy that must be defeated before we have a chance to beat the Republicans. Until we have a changing of the guard, the gates will always be insecure.

Oh, drop this shit already. When the Democrats run one shit candidate after another they are going to lose sometimes. Learn to live with it, or get them to offer better candidates. All this whining is getting pathetic.

That group is infuriating. The worst are the ones that drag Democratic primaries to the right, then vote Republican anyways.

Cuomo was projected to be ahead after the first round. The election was going to be a question of whether or not Mamdani’s certain gains in subsequent rounds would be enough to catch up. Mamdani being so far ahead after the first round meant Cuomo was done.

The people you are talking about about will never remove their cranial bowel obstructions, but their twisted forms can be removed from the Democratic party by voters.

but to keep the brown natural-born citizens who voted for him from realizing

Um, what? He has better support from wealthy whites than from racial minorities.

You are way understating his odds at winning the general.

Your implicit argument that so-called “centrist” Democrats are better at winning purple states because voters all exist along a simple left to right spectrum is absolutely wrong. The people in this country are fed up and they want revolution. Republicans offered it, and Democrats didn’t. The rightward lurch was just an artifact of people rationalizing their vote and conforming to the stereotype on offer.

One big excuse the Democratic establishment gave was that the world is in an anti-incombancy mood. That’s a correct observation, but what is really happening is the death of neoliberalism everywhere. The one big outlier to the trend was Mexico where an aging male President successfully handed the reigns over to his protege, a younger woman. The difference is, they were progressives. Mexico is also arguably a more religiously conservative country than America.

The wonky framing of the US electorate has been the standard Democratic perspective for decades. It’s what led to the income inequality we have now. It’s what led to Trump, and the complete routing of Democrats in both federal and state governments. For the love of God, wake up already.

The Democrats don’t win because they aren’t real people, they are characters on TV that people are sick of. Neoliberalism drains the blood and passion that people want to see in leadership. Republicans have it, and Democrats don’t. It’s past time that changed.