They will also delete any comments that complain about AI at all, even though there is no rule against it.
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After second look, that’s not entirely true, but they definitely have a trigger finger for it and leave plenty of other “off-topic” comments.
Considering the amount of posts deleted, it should have just been locked instead of nuking comments with a negative view of AI
Here’s the thread in the screenshot:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43426671/18476015
Also, here you can see other’s seem to think this was an attempt to silence dissent (though, I don’t think that this coming from drag is a great point for it):
https://lemmy.ca/post/43313594
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Just look at this completely insane comment from an instance admin:
Hey y’all, dbzer0 admin there. We’re not anti Genai as a technology in general but we’re absolutely anti-corporate genai. I believe the only valid way to use genai is if all weights are open source and all output is in the commons. I generally hate the current techbro Ai bubble and we have no stake in it. However I will defend proles using genai for their own entertainment as much as I will defend proles using piracy likewise. We think the world is would be better without copyrights. AMA.
I believe that as it currently stands, AI is too closely tied to big corporations, especially for the average person. So, without specifically including the caveat of “this thing was generated using an open source, locally run model” or something along those lines, it’s reasonable to assume it was generated by using big corp-run AI giving them more data and power over the individuals. I also think giving too much credence to AI gives the big techbro AI bubble more value and power. Additionally, AI makes it exceedingly easy for low-quality or nefarious content to proliferate and effectively choke-out thoughtful content, similar to how misinformation/disinformation takes over factual information. Like I mentioned, I agree that ‘AI is just a tool’, but that doesn’t exclude it from being extremely frequently abused, which then puts a sour taste in my mouth. I could go on for why I tend to dislike AI in general while acknowledging what possible benefits there may be for it. None of my reasoning is founded on any of the claims db0 users were trying to force onto me.
According to your fellow admin and other very loud and rude users from db0 (whose behaviors have been validated by the same admin), that makes me a “right-wing neoliberal”. Instead of engaging in a discussion about it, those people instead berated me and kept pushing the same idea.
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To add to this, I think a big contention point is that there is no rule against stating that you don’t like AI or reasons to dislike AI, but the user’s hostility were a reaction as if that were the case. If there were an instance or community rule for that, then these reactions would be understandable (though, still an overreaction IMO).
It seems to me that if you go to a community and are rude about the memes being shared you should be able to take some rudeness back.
- Goes into a community.
- Ignores the rules and community and says they’re wrong for doing something in their free time on their own space.
- Gets the rules applied to them and told to stop, golden rule is applied to them when they were being rude in the first place.
- Complains about mod abuse on another community, claiming victim that rules were enforced on them.
Can we leave the “I have my first amendment rights to say anything I want, anywhere I want!” reddit bullshit on reddit? I know lemmy.world is Reddit 2 but man this is weird.
You’re now participating in what was described in db0 as a “brigade”. Especially with your disingenuous “”“summary”“” of events.
How much more hypocrisy can you db0 people rack up here?
Sure dude, its a grand conspiracy with all 4 people from db0 here. We run ultra-secret discords and matrix to target users by down voting them, the most intense form of harassment. /srs
If you go into communities, respect their rules.
The pure ironic hypocrisy is just 🤌
The hypocrisy of…?
I would agree with you if the rudeness was at a similar level, or if the claims made in response weren’t absolutely unfounded.
Not to mention a moderator, let alone an admin, should be held to a higher standard.
We’re anarchists. We absolutely demand to be held at the same standard as everyone else.
Well that would be nice if at least that was being upheld.
But the point of being held to a higher standard is because trust is an important factor. If an admin can’t handle themselves better than the average person, then they shouldn’t be entrusted with the responsibilities they carry. That’s a standard that is equal for all people. If you are entrusted with responsibility that requires a higher than normal amount of trust, then you are expected to handle yourself in those situations better than the average person
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You also just ignored the other point, the main point, so that you can virtue-signal how much of an anarchist you are.
Based on your own actions, or lack of action, it doesn’t seem you are here with genuine intent and instead it seems you are here more for damage control.
You also just ignored the other point, the main point, so that you can virtue-signal how much of an anarchist you are.
Right wing buzzwords, no wonder you don’t like anarchists.
The db0 instance has been the #1 disappointment for me on Lemmy.
If you count yourself as a leftist and advocate of electronic freedoms… but you find yourself on the opposing side against Robert Evans, Molly White, and Cory Doctorow, you might wanna reconsider whether you’ve been scammed into a libertarian tech bro version of Freedom™.
Nonsense. If people used genai the way we suggest in dbzer0, AI techbros would be in ruins. We’re also generally in the same camp as those people you mention (even though they’re still libs) but we still have disagreements since, well, we’re not libs and don’t think there’s any merit to things like copyrights.
Getting reports over content in different instances. -_-
If someone comes here pushing AI slop then yeah I’m not opposed to whipping out the banhammer, but I don’t really care what folks are posting elsewhere, and I’d rather not see Fuck AI become focused on drama in other communities.
Up or downvote as you see fit, but please don’t use the report button as an ‘extra big-ass downvote!’
this pretty much solidifies my belief that the dbzero0 instance is a grassroots left wing qanon Russian troll farm that’s desperately attempting to divide us further.
been blocking any dbzero user as they make themselves obvious.
Nah, most of 'em are okay on any topic that’s not directly related to genAI. It’s just that their takes on this one issue are completely abysmal.
That’s a pretty narrow view. I joined db0 for piracy discussion. Not everyone subscribes to all aspects of the instance next to their username.
like I said, as long as they “make themselves obvious”.
you seem like a level headed user, however there have been some folks from your instance that tend to instigate. those are the ones I block.
This may be a mistake. But I’m going to make an attempt at good faith discussion.
I am 1000% anti bougie AI. And would be a proud Luddite, marching into the data centers with a hammer to smash the servers and power distribution. AI used to displace, exclude, or oppress people. Or AI that is a detriment to the environment. That is the problem.
Or is it this community stance that all AI regardless of what it is or what it does is somehow bad. Say if you could run your own natural language AI assistant efficiently on a piece of hardware that you own. To help you stay organized or assist with simple verbal tasks. Is that also bad? Because otherwise everything @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com said seems pretty reasonable.
That is like saying that DDT can be used to exterminate malaria-carrying mosquitoes, therefore it should be unregulated and widely accessible and anyone saying otherwise is a ratlicker.
Not at all. Again I literally said I would happily go Luddite on the data centers of the bougie wealthy that would use a tool like artificial intelligence to harm or oppress people and the environment. That’s literally a form of Regulation against the negative impacts. If a tool can exist without the negative impacts. Then where is the problem?
If a tool can exist without the negative impacts.
If.
The problem (at least one of the problems) is the assumption that such an AI tool can exist without negative impacts. I am convinced that it can’t, because I’m witnessing the negative impacts in real time as the intelligence and competence of students at the university I work at declines year over year, to the point where some of them can’t even take a multiple choice test or write a dozen lines of code without the assistance of a chatbot.
Can AI tools have massively positive impacts? Absolutely. So can nuclear power, and we’ve done a remarkable job (so far) of not foisting a ton of refined plutonium upon whichever trust fund baby techbro grifter promises to save the world if they are given a billion dollars to build a death star.
Ethical AI cannot exist in this world, and the world where it can is a fantasy.
I should clarify: I am 100% in favor of nuclear energy and technology, and part of the reason is that the modern nuclear industry is so heavily regulated and safety-conscious. If it presented the same callous attitude as AI techbros and corporations, my views would shift immediately.
Point 7 is telling.
;tldr they ban anti-AI because they’re in the AI game.
That implies they profit from it. I doubt that’s the case.
Yeah the horde isnt a paid thing
Yep, lmao. It was well written and made some points, then the advertisement came and all credibility disappeared.
It was well written and made some points
Gonna have to disagree with you on both parts of that.
I didn’t say they were good or bad points, just points. Compared to other arguments I’ve seen, it was written better than most. Could have been AI generated, though.
As an Anarcho-Syndicalist (basically as far left as you can possibly get), multiple things can be simultaneously true:
- Private property is theft as is copyright
- Art should be publically funded
- Capitalism is fundamentally evil
- AI is theft
- Tech bros are bootlickers
AI is a fundamentally reactionary tool, it does not serve the worker and does little more than serve the capitalist. It feeds off of real work that real workers do so that capitalists can claim that they can do work like real workers. However they cannot, only a true worker can make art and music. Art and music comes from what fundamentally makes us human, thats why AI and Capitalists cannot make art.
DOWN TO REACTION, DOWN TO THE DECEIVERS, DOWN TO THE TYRANTS
Hey I would appreciate it if you didn’t use all caps like trump, makes me want to not be associated with you even as a sympathetic left-liberal.
Man wants to be in all caps, let him be in all caps. You do you and then appreciate that other people are different and still good people.
ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME
I think a key point here is that none of the admins or mods of dbz0 have claimed its real art, or that something else is lesser art, as far as I can see. I may be completely wrong, and I’ll amend that claim if so.
However they cannot, only a true worker can make art and music. Art and music comes from what fundamentally makes us human, thats why AI and Capitalists cannot make art.
Indeed. My favorite musicians are in fact human. Art is not made for money, art is made to express something, something intangible. I think the moment people get into a “who would pay for this” instantly lose the argument, as art should not be profit focused.
I don’t sing in the shower because I think it’ll be a smash hit on TikTok or whatever, I do it because its fun to sing in the shower.
