https://infosec.exchange/@winterknight1337/114906298563785317
here is the referenced article: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/23/microsoft_copilot_vision/
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So you mean… Microsoft lied and does the most irresponsible thing ever? For money?
No way, they would never! They have never!
Right?
Called it, knew theyd secretly switch it. Their entire buisness model with windows since 8 was collecting data from the user. They wouldnt be able yo help themselves from collecting this shit.
This is what they admit to, complete surveillance of your private computer. Imagine how long they’ve been doing this without telling us and what else they’re doing right now.
This. Independent of whether a local AI is desirable on your computer, an AI on someone else’s computer has no goddamned business with any of your personal data. That should literally be illegal.
I hate that I’m in the middle of editing a long video using an archaic Vegas release; I’m sure there’s great video editing suites on Linux but I’m a bit blocked from switching right now.
Kdenlive works on Windows
totally understand the being locked in. that being said, when you’re ready, check out kdenlive.
Agreed. There are other options, but I as a beginner started with kdenlive (something looked right about it, I guess) and I really like.
Hey, that’s funny. It’s almost like they know there won’t be any lasting consequences for them doing whatever they damned well please.
This breaks a lot of org’s sensitive data policies. So I guess they’ll have to figure out a way to disable it or install Linux
I have not logged in to my Windows for ages. I feel like once I do, it will open a Pandora’s box.
The temptation to open it drops to zero once you realise the box is full of shit.
SteamOS v1.0 when?
Bazzite today
what it is > what’s
AI wishes it could have such a command of language
“Guess what it is not processed locally anymore”?
I think they read it as:
“Guess what, it is not processed locally anymore.”
I think it was meant to be read as:
“Guess what is not processed locally anymore?”
I can understand making the mistake when they used a period instead of a question mark.
I wouldn’t use a question mark there. It isn’t a question.
ah yeah it is my brain thats broken
Old and busted: accidentally install malware on Windows.
New hotness: now Windows itself is malware!Friendship with Windows is over. Now Spyware is my new best friend 🤝
Windows has been malware since
the vista daysit came out because of the DRMUnpopular opinion: Windows peaked with Vista.
Vista had its troubles, but that was mostly due to drivers, which aren’t 100% on Microsoft. There was also performance issues, but I think some of that was due to underpowered hardware…
Once the Service Packs came out and the drivers matured, vista was stable, easy to use, and introduced a bunch of good features.
Everything past vista has been stupid and non sensical. They constantly change things, then have to roll back.
I have to use windows 11 at work, it’s terrible with weird bugs and performance issues. The funniest thing is my work issued me a high powered surface branded laptop.
Microsoft can’t even blame the issues on any other vendor, it’s a 1st party device, windows should be the best on surface devices. Especially given they have been making them for years and years
Windows 7 was up-to-date Vista with a new start menu and a different name and people absolutely loved it from the start.
Vista era was when they were working on new driver models, graphics APIs, filesystem, a new shell, etc.
Sure most of them ended up sucking or didn’t ship at all, but at least they were trying to improve the core of the OS.
Since then it’s been 100% driven by marketing and adbusing their users.
Windows 3.1 was fine and fast. They should have stopped there.
Progman.exe for the win
3.1 looked terrible.
2000 was stable and looked decent for it’s time. Enjoyed the look of 10, but behind the scenes it was invasive. 11 is terrible on the looks* and the invasiveness.
*) seriously… it looks dated and cluttered after using something like Gnome for a while
2000 was amazing. Constantly rebooting was a normal thing and everyone from techs to end users was fine with it, because it was normal.
One day I was telling my bf, “This thing has been running for a month! I got 30-days uptime!”
Can someone write a 64 bit Windows for Workgroups 3.11?
If you believed they will not send this to their servers I have a bridge to sell you.
Been a privacy advocate for two decades. There’s many many lawsuits against tech companies who say they protect your privacy only to lie about it which have been settled.
Then, in a tinfoil hat, the ‘plausible deniability’ policy, and giving the state direct access to your system’s backend. So sure, something like a AI bot might not be sharing your data, because they don’t need to when the government is already building a file.
a Linux to sell even
https://people.cs.georgetown.edu/~clay/classes/spring2010/os/inthebeginning.pdf
Hacker with bullhorn: “Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon!”
All MS needs to do is cook their frogs (users) slowly, over years, and MS will be just fine and can add whatever they want. As long as they do it slowly, incrementally. Postponing Recall after the first public backlash was also smart, because the audience tends to forget over time and now it’s psychologically not such a big deal anymore already.
I’m sure users will find some convenient excuse this time as well, maybe “yeah sure it’s spyware but at least I can turn it off until the next update”, not realizing that Windows in the past had no spyware included at all and that the amount of spyware that you need to turn off and also ensure it’s off after each update has grown significantly over the years. In fact I’d even guess that without 3rd party anti-spyware-tools or well-configured group policies it’s impossible for the common Windows user to find and plug all the holes which leak data. And even then, future updates might introduce new data leaks or re-open old holes.
As long as this situation doesn’t change, as long as there’s no really simple way to turn off everything from one convenient place, this company is just screwing you around. Remember that Microsoft is, at least since Nadella is CEO, not in the “we sell you a decent OS and that’s it” business anymore. They’re in the data business. They’re in the “we sell or gift you a somewhat usable OS with minimum maintenance from our side and in return we get more and more data from you. Also please use our online services so that we get even more data” business. And now they’re also in the AI business, which means they want not just more data from you but they want to feed their bots literally everything you’re doing, and that is only possible by having constant screen sharing with Microsoft active.
The biggest problem of all this is that if you want to have a secure or private communication with a Windows user, you’d first need to check whether they don’t have this stuff running in the background, because this gets data from all sorts of applications, including any open chat windows, and it also gets input from your microphone. It’s like every Windows user will have a Microsoft camera behind them pointed at the screen at all times and one has to hope that this camera isn’t actually on. If it is on at any point, it will undermine the security and privacy of any applications the user has open, because it can see and hear everything in clear text/voice. Or in other words: it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to ensure that you can still have a private chat (voice or text) with a Windows user…
All MS needs to do is cook their frogs (users) slowly, over years, and MS will be just fine and can add whatever they want.
They’ve been doing that for decades and if you’re still a MS user at this point you’re well over cooked.
I remember in the 90s when people raised a fuss about IE being the default browser. Nothing changed. Nothing is going to change. for the majority of users what’s your option? you go to Apple where they’ll pull the same shit. a very small percentage (and yes it is growing) will just switch to Linux.
They’ll add new features and those are always automatically turned on. It’s very obvious when you have a privacy settings tab with everything turned off and one thing you’ve not heard of turned on.
abandon ship? the ship called “we won’t spy on you with this close-source program that records everything you do ahaha why would you think that - signed, big corporation”? why did you get on that ship in the first place
To be fair, this is not Recall, as per the article:
While the screen snooping only happens when the user expressly activates it as part of a Copilot session, unlike Recall, which is constantly active in the background when enabled, it’s also designed to be more proactive than previous releases.
So… it’s Google Lens?
I don’t know, man, people keep telling me about all these Microsoft features and none of them ever show up on my devices. I think technically the next time I reboot my PC on Windows I’ll have the black blue screens of death, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Also relevant:
At the time of writing, Microsoft was only offering Copilot Vision in the US, with the promise (or threat) that it will be coming to very specifically “non-European countries” soon – a tip of the hat, it seems, to the European Union’s AI Act.
all these Microsoft features and none of them ever show up on my devices
Lemmy tells me I have a dozen Windows issues I don’t have. I should also uninstall a bunch of crap I don’t have.
Guessing most of the hate is from users with factory installed Windows on their laptops. Good god, the crap they throw on there. When I deployed company laptops it was easier to activate Windows, wipe and install from a vanilla ISO. No problem.
I’m sure the features do exist, but there’s a big mix of people being semi-disingenuously mad at features you toggle off on install and never think about again, features in preview buids and features that don’t quite do what people say they do.
That’s not to say I wouldn’t prefer many of those to… you know, not exist, but it’s also true that my copilot button does nothing (that’s a lie, it brings up the start menu), I don’t have Recall, there are no ads in my Start menu and the extent of my interaction with “Click-to-do” was accidentally stumbling upon the shortcut, turning it off and never thinking about it again.
I shudder to think how much development time Microsoft dumps into things that work that way for all of their tech-savvy users and only exist as gimmicks and adware for normies. It’s a dumb, dumb way to make software, but it’s much more manageable than some corners of the internet say it is, be it due to the ragebait economy or just how weirdly partisan and irrational the Linux rah-rah gets.
As a long term dual-booter the whole thing seems kinda dumb to me on all sides for different reasons. I’m mostly just annoyed that I can’t get Bazzite to hibernate properly and that I have to keep paying people to make my Windows taskbar float on the side of the screen like KDE does by default. And nobody is fixing either anytime soon because everybody is too busy being rich or smart or whatever other useless thing people like to be on the Internet.
It’s a very stupid century.
While I mostly agree with what you are saying here, the problem is with these “features” being opt-out vs opt-in. I don’t want ads on my start menu unless I go into my personalization settings and turn them off. I don’t want to have to disable copilot. I don’t want to have to jump through the hoops of turning off one drive. These things should be something I can turn on, not something I have to turn off. I get that it doesn’t take long for someone remotely tech savvy to do, it’s not like it’s a struggle. The problem is that for most people, these services are extremely predatory.
You say it’s much more manageable that people claim, but you’re wrong. I know more normies that own computers than I do tech savvy people. All of these people aren’t good enough with tech to be able to just go find the setting, so they go to the internet to look it up. The top search results are often predatory ad-riddled sites that pitch their weird middleware software as the only solution to the problem. Oops, now the normie has malware. Their computer chugs because their computer is mining bitcoin or something stupid. They go online to look for help. There’s anti malware software available, so they pay for it and install it. It takes up most of their laptop’s crappy specs, making it worse than the malware. They go online for help. One of the top search results is a number for a tech support scammer. They pay them, often an aggregious amount of money, hoping for help. The tech support scammer takes their money, but does nothing (or installs malware of their own, or heaven forbid gets the normie’s banking details). Rinse and repeat this process.
That doesn’t sound manageable at all, and I personally know 4 people who have gone through that entire process, and I can’t imagine that I’m unique in that.
And on top of that, even if you turn off all the settings for all of these windows “features” they are still collecting and selling your personal usage info to the highest bidder, it just is slightly less valuable.
I was gonna say I hadn’t had issues with Bazzite’s hibernate function in a while, but then I remembered I turned it off completely.
As far as I can tell it’s turned off by default. It has a sleep mode, but in my PC it still draws too much power to leave it in that state indefinitely. Windows Hibernate is surprisingly good in my setup, and it allows me to start a session on Windows, go to sleep, boot into Bazzite, then switch to Windows and pick up where I left off.
It’d be great to be able to bounce back and forth, but… yep, Hibernation not working for me. I’m sure troubleshooting can figure it out, but I don’t have the time or energy at this point.
Last time I checked I found some info about it being an incompatibility with AMD CPUs that nobody who’s able to is interested in fixing. Or at least in my case that seemed to be it.
Im so glad I moved off windows years ago
