I don’t know where people get this idea from. Kids are still hacking their school computers, just as much as we were back in the 90s. If anything, kids are more knowledgeable on bypassing these systems now than we were then; ask any school’s IT admin, kids are doing wild shit with their computers and tablets.
Don’t forget, people like you and I weren’t “normal kids”. We were a very stark minority. That’s still the case with today’s kids. I think you’re just not seeing it because you either don’t have children in your life that you are in regular communication with, or aren’t present on the social platforms today’s kids are on.
Basically this. None of our parents knew we were dumpster diving telephone exchanges or trying to figure out gaining root on server systems. Today’s underground is equally obfuscated by the “don’t tell the grown ups” as we were.
And at the same time large sections of them are as tech illiterate as the boomers. There is a huge divide between the ones hacking everything and those that have only ever used an iPad or similar cloud-based devices and don’t understand how even basics like folder structures works. And they sit right next to each other at school day after day in the same general classes.
don’t understand how even basics like folder structures works.
Why would they, though? The average user in today’s world doesn’t need that knowledge, just as we didn’t need the knowledge of how punchcards worked (although I think there are a few Lemmings around here who may actually be old enough to qualify). We needed to know how folders work, because that was the norm during our upbringing, but that’s no longer the case.
We didn’t stick to our predecessors’ methodologies. Neither will our successors. They’ll evolve and grow beyond the technology and the norms that we’re familiar with, just as we did with the generation before us.
Jesus that sounds horrendous. I do the same thing with my phone camera out of laziness, and that’s bad enough. I can’t imagine every file I have being accessible based on my memory of timeline.
I do this on purpose. I much much prefer chronological sorting and metadata search than actually organising files as long as it’s faster and works correctly.
Even with actually manually organized file storage ultimately I just end up with folders more based on chronology than anything else.
The way I see it - the only actually practical reason to have folders is if there is logic applied to the files, like e.g. all files in folder X get mounted as a docker volume in program Y or backed up to server Z etc etc.
Beyond that all I care about is that my files are actually appropriately indexed and accessible quickly on-demand exactly when I want and how I want both at work and at home.
Same way how I don’t actually go to /bin/ and list the dir and find the program, I hit Win+D in i3 and just type in what I want to run and get the program.
My one pet peeve though is when devs use this to organise an app’s files like a tornado organizes a goddamn county fair, my ~/ is chock-full of random dotfiles and dotfolders of dotfiles without clear purpose or use and the state of C:\Users\whatever is a lovecraftian horror once you had the same general use Windows install for a few years, god forbid making sense of AppData and whatnot. And it gets so much worse with distro standards evolving to conf.d folders rather than one dotfile per program/daemon which just makes it hard to get an accurate full picture of things.
Fucking Kali of all things is such a bitch for adding splash to boot prams outside of /etc/default/grub in its goddamn theme script of all places. I use this OS for pentesting practice/learning (and gaming). I do not want fancy boot. I do not want arbitrary, potentially crippling boot options silently added to my grub in files that have no business doing so or really even being a default inclusion no matter how ‘pretty’ and ‘modern’ the result. I am trying to learn deobfuscating JS, not my own goddamn configs, not that the latter isn’t useful but it feels hostile and anti-human to sacrifice simplicity for elegance.
The average user in today’s world doesn’t need that knowledge.
That’s just factually not true for anyone that works in a medium to large company. Folder structures and network drives are how all company data is handled. The only people at any of our business locations that don’t need to know how that works are the environmental services and food and beverage employees. The rest of the employees absolutely use basic knowledge like that every single day. And not needing that definitely doesn’t apply to any IT adjacent profession, which have expanded dramatically since I was in school.
Folder structures and network drives are how all company data is handled.
Eh, kinda of, but modern enterprise document storage is largely evolving away from it for general business users. I say this as an IT professional that has been an active consumer of the evolution over the last 25 years. Yes, SMB/CIFs/NFS shares still exist in the corporate enterprise, but modern enterprise systems are doing document storage more in Sharepoint, Google Drive, or even object form (storage buckets). All of these last three don’t use a traditional file system where folder (directory really) navigation is a required skill.
This is especially true with Google drive. Yes, there are folders, but its equally likely that the file you need isn’t even in your folders because its been shared to you by another user from one of their folders. Links, bookmarks, and free text file searches are often more useful for locating document that navigating a traditional directory tree. This is somewhat true in Sharepoint too.
I don’t know where people get this idea from. Kids are still hacking their school computers, just as much as we were back in the 90s. If anything, kids are more knowledgeable on bypassing these systems now than we were then; ask any school’s IT admin, kids are doing wild shit with their computers and tablets.
Don’t forget, people like you and I weren’t “normal kids”. We were a very stark minority. That’s still the case with today’s kids. I think you’re just not seeing it because you either don’t have children in your life that you are in regular communication with, or aren’t present on the social platforms today’s kids are on.
Basically this. None of our parents knew we were dumpster diving telephone exchanges or trying to figure out gaining root on server systems. Today’s underground is equally obfuscated by the “don’t tell the grown ups” as we were.
And at the same time large sections of them are as tech illiterate as the boomers. There is a huge divide between the ones hacking everything and those that have only ever used an iPad or similar cloud-based devices and don’t understand how even basics like folder structures works. And they sit right next to each other at school day after day in the same general classes.
Why would they, though? The average user in today’s world doesn’t need that knowledge, just as we didn’t need the knowledge of how punchcards worked (although I think there are a few Lemmings around here who may actually be old enough to qualify). We needed to know how folders work, because that was the norm during our upbringing, but that’s no longer the case.
We didn’t stick to our predecessors’ methodologies. Neither will our successors. They’ll evolve and grow beyond the technology and the norms that we’re familiar with, just as we did with the generation before us.
So kids with iphones just download every photo, video, and song they have to one folder and have no way to sort it?
Basically, yeah. Chronological sorting is good enough for most people. As long as you remember when you took the photo, you can find it easily.
Jesus that sounds horrendous. I do the same thing with my phone camera out of laziness, and that’s bad enough. I can’t imagine every file I have being accessible based on my memory of timeline.
I do this on purpose. I much much prefer chronological sorting and metadata search than actually organising files as long as it’s faster and works correctly.
Even with actually manually organized file storage ultimately I just end up with folders more based on chronology than anything else.
The way I see it - the only actually practical reason to have folders is if there is logic applied to the files, like e.g. all files in folder X get mounted as a docker volume in program Y or backed up to server Z etc etc.
Beyond that all I care about is that my files are actually appropriately indexed and accessible quickly on-demand exactly when I want and how I want both at work and at home.
Same way how I don’t actually go to /bin/ and list the dir and find the program, I hit Win+D in i3 and just type in what I want to run and get the program.
My one pet peeve though is when devs use this to organise an app’s files like a tornado organizes a goddamn county fair, my ~/ is chock-full of random dotfiles and dotfolders of dotfiles without clear purpose or use and the state of C:\Users\whatever is a lovecraftian horror once you had the same general use Windows install for a few years, god forbid making sense of AppData and whatnot. And it gets so much worse with distro standards evolving to conf.d folders rather than one dotfile per program/daemon which just makes it hard to get an accurate full picture of things.
Fucking Kali of all things is such a bitch for adding
splashto boot prams outside of /etc/default/grub in its goddamn theme script of all places. I use this OS for pentesting practice/learning (and gaming). I do not want fancy boot. I do not want arbitrary, potentially crippling boot options silently added to my grub in files that have no business doing so or really even being a default inclusion no matter how ‘pretty’ and ‘modern’ the result. I am trying to learn deobfuscating JS, not my own goddamn configs, not that the latter isn’t useful but it feels hostile and anti-human to sacrifice simplicity for elegance.That’s just factually not true for anyone that works in a medium to large company. Folder structures and network drives are how all company data is handled. The only people at any of our business locations that don’t need to know how that works are the environmental services and food and beverage employees. The rest of the employees absolutely use basic knowledge like that every single day. And not needing that definitely doesn’t apply to any IT adjacent profession, which have expanded dramatically since I was in school.
Eh, kinda of, but modern enterprise document storage is largely evolving away from it for general business users. I say this as an IT professional that has been an active consumer of the evolution over the last 25 years. Yes, SMB/CIFs/NFS shares still exist in the corporate enterprise, but modern enterprise systems are doing document storage more in Sharepoint, Google Drive, or even object form (storage buckets). All of these last three don’t use a traditional file system where folder (directory really) navigation is a required skill.
This is especially true with Google drive. Yes, there are folders, but its equally likely that the file you need isn’t even in your folders because its been shared to you by another user from one of their folders. Links, bookmarks, and free text file searches are often more useful for locating document that navigating a traditional directory tree. This is somewhat true in Sharepoint too.
That was the case when I was a teen, too