well i mean were we supposed to choose the greater of two evils?
I’m pretty sure we elected the worst of all evils
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Yes because the only thing to do is vote and the only parties are dem and republican, your hands are tied! You have to vote for genocide! Why won’t people just let you have your treats?
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Afghanistan and Iraq happened with the support of democrats and was worsened under democratic leadership. The current genocide in Gaza started under Biden. Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden. By domestic terror do you mean ICE? Tom Homan was appointed by Obama and Obama was the one to massively expand ICE.
Iran has been the target of the US empire for decades, Kamala Harris called it the biggest enemy of the US. She was just as fervent a supporter of Israel as Biden and Trump, and Israel pushing for the war is why its happening. There is no way of knowing what would have happened under a dem president, but we have all reason to assume she would have gone along with the war against Iran, just like Trump did.
Not really, because if people consistently choose the lesser evil. Like if 90% voted for lesser evils, then the other party would have to change things up, or there could be a new party that would have a chance of winning because they’re competing for that 90% of people and no way would the evil party win.
But no, problems isn’t choosing lesser evil, it’s that significant people still choose evil
The problem is that, despite people swearing they never had any other choice, there has always been many instances of good options that go unchosen while the population fights over voting for turbo-evil vs naturally-aspirated-evil.
Here in Canada we have three main parties and people will do ANYTHING to justify why they cannot vote progressive and must vote for the centrist/conservative party because otherwise the conservative-conservatives might get power. Now we have a banker steam-rolling our people and our environment for free.
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Yes im sure if we keep doing the thing that we’ve been doing for decades as everything has been getting worse, then things will change. I would vote third party, but nobody has done all the work of making me feel like there’s a good one for me so I guess I’ll keep voting for genocide. Im sure this will help change things.
Your assuming lesser evil stays the same. If they move lock step with the greater evil though then guess what?
The other party has had to change things up. The republicans decided to become more evil in response to Obama. The democrats have also decided to change things up by becoming more evil every election
Shhh. They’re about to do it again
It’s the result of rich people only making shitty choices available. So sick of the victim blaming gaslighting shit.
If you consistently vote in governments who knock the “no speeding” signs down, roll up the zebra crossings and remove the footpaths because dem tax breaks then yes, in part you have contributed to you getting run over crossing the street by some arsehole doing 200kph
It’s the result of incredibly stupid people believing the rich people who tell them that only their chosen puppets have any chance of winning the election, so you’d better vote for the puppet you hate the least, voting for someone you actually support is just a waste!
remove all epstein classes from affecting any elections and they are banned from office forever after you get to 0.01% of population you are barred from any political influence and cannot buy any influence illegal and if found the penalty is all assets seized. next also almost all laws are made to restrict the epstein class first then everything else.
the goal is to minimize the uncontrollably large evils that is the epstein class.
It’s not like theres much of a choice.
There’s actually more than two parties and more to do than vote
Should we have chosen the greater evil?
I think we did a few times.
You should do the only thing that has historically made conditions better for the average person.
Violent revolution.
There were always non-evil choices. Most people were too afraid of a non-evil world to pick them, though.
Which 3rd party isn’t evil? Jill Stein?
Not to mention the 3rd parties just steal votes from the 2 party system we have and don’t have a chance at winning.
Not to mention the 3rd parties just steal votes from the 2 party system we have
Actually they don’t. The democrats arent owed your vote, a third party isn’t stealing votes.
and don’t have a chance at winning.
And they never will because of short-sighted people like you.
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Right, because your strategy has been really successful. Just look at all the genocide we’re doing!
The point is that revolution is necessary, and electoralism is a dead end.
The point is that revolution is necessary
It’s been necessary for decades… But revolution is a bloody nightmare that lays the groundwork for rebuilding. You are still going to need a government after the revolution and I’m yet to see any actual tangible plan for what that is that somehow precludes voting right now… It’s literally a form you fill out once or twice every four years.
At the risk of painting with too broad a brush, does this rhetoric not means that a lot of leftists have got one foot in the past looking at historic revolutions and one foot in the future dreaming of a revolution to come? And what do you think that means they’re doing to the present?
Revolution isn’t a thing you do, it’s something you organize for and prepare for when crisis turns to revolution. That’s the primary focus of leftist action, not voting. Voting vs. organizing for revolution is kinda like building a sand castle vs. testing and studying rocketry if your goal is to get to the moon. Sand castles aren’t really hurting anything, but they aren’t helping either, so it’s more important to actually work on what matters.
love it
I don’t understand. We’re bush, Nixon, Reagan and trump the lesser of 2 evils? I’m pretty sure they’re the cause of the current MAGAstan government.
- The Clintons convincing Trump to run as a candidate got Trump elected.
- Hillary Clinton’s pied piper strategy, which resulted in him getting billions in free advertising, got him elected.
- The DNC refusing to primary a candidate that nobody wanted that was backing and funding a genocide is what got Trump elected.
That last one is the stupidest shit imagineable. But but but genociiide ya think fucking trump is gonna stop that?
It didn’t matter what Trump did or did not do. The fact is that you allowed the Democrats to keep doing it, and then to reward them for their bad behavior, you decided to try to elect them again. That’s how US politics has become so fucking dysfunctional. You reward bad behavior.
I’m not american. Go lecture elsewhere
I think committing genocide is bad, even if someone else is also doing it, and I think its bad to reward someone for committing a genocide.
Now how did this comment apply to your voting choices in the US election
What is your source for the Clintons “convincing” Trump to run? According to Politico "What the sources from both camps agreed upon, however, was that Clinton did not urge Trump to run. " https://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/report-bill-clinton-talked-with-donald-trump-as-he-was-considering-white-house-run-121052
Maybe OP is just starting highschool?
If OP is more than 2 years old, should be able to remember that the current government was not the lesser of 2 evils when it was elected. Don’t need to look farther into history.
Seem to be missing a few administrations there. Though I notice BlueMaga liberals are basically having to memory hole every democratic president for the last forty years because “if you just vote us in we’ll stop the Republicans!” Doesn’t convince anyone when they look at what democrats actually did in office
That “lesser evil” works well, you must admit.
So it’s all functioning as designed. BoTh PaRtIeS blame the other for their failures and lack of progress, neither could exist without their evil twin.
They have no actual platform other than wealth acquisition, those issues that they deem important for an election cycle are “bait”.
For example, Biden’s bait was “15 an hour”. The American voters took the bait and elected him; no minimum wage increase.
Trump’s bait was “no war”. The American voters took the bait and elected him, so… war.
Biden and Ds could have passed minimum wage bill easily. The “super majority requirement” is a parliamentary rule that can be changed whenever they would like with majority vote (they circumvent super majority all the time, see “exceptions to nuclear option”, like budgets)
Most American voters have no idea that this is so, and it works very well to deceive the majority of them right out in the open. Blatantly and repeatedly.
I vote every election, and you should too! It’s funny
For example, Biden’s bait was “15 an hour”. The American voters took the bait and elected him; no minimum wage increase.
??? The fuck are you talking about? He did raise the minimum wage of federal employees. Or is that not good enough and you want to move the fucking goalposts?
This one was like one of his sigbature EOs, it’s such a fucking stupid thing to lie about.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/government-contracts/eo14026
of federal employees
Lmao fell for it again
And it’s weird that it’s Biden’s fault that no $15 minimum wage happened when a bunch of other shit did happen like student loan forgiveness and all that shit and a bunch of Democrats in the legislature kinda fucking suck and wouldn’t push for that shit, and it’s somehow equivalent to Trump literally declaring war, a thing that is 100% fully his fucking fault.
Always this false equivalency. Republicans are expected to be pieces of shit, but it’s the Democrats that should’ve done fifty times more work. Fuck off.
student loan forgiveness didn’t happen for anyone i know, and i know a lot of people with crippling college debt. the obvious benefits are always behind a wall i didn’t check
Only my old college roommate got their forgiven. Not sure what the specific were. My wife and brother had their payments and interest paused for almost 2 years which helped a lot.
Ok then, so what’s your solution? I’m still gonna vote for the lesser evil, while still organizing and doing direct action, to reduce harm unless presented with an alternative.
Maybe a candidate that’s good? You could run for an office.
Edit: essentially I mean for the situation at hand, especially with this upcoming election, what else can we do?
The solution is Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone can run and voters rank all the candidates. So if you put Stein (for example) first and she doesn’t get enough votes, your vote then goes to your second choice, and so on. It lets you vote the way you really want it to go, not just strategically.
K, we don’t have that option though.
Ranked choice voting as a topic comes up every 2-4 years. Then no one does anything about it after the election is over.
If you want it so bad, do whatever you can to keep the conversation going between elections.
Ranked choice/instant runoff voting is not doing a lot for Australia. The “left” major party is centrist at best, the “right” major party is drifting further right and the only minor party of note is basically Nazis.
How are the greens nazis?
Lab moved right because every single left wing policy they took to the polls got fucking libs voted in. When your public votes in fucking scott morrison by choice you know you’re fucked and act accordingly
You remember Gillard’s misogyny speech? Great times. The next year we voted the subject and target of that speech as PM.
Don’t fucking sook about parties going right wing when that’s how people vote
You seem angry and not great at comprehending the topic at hand. Maybe step away from the internet for a bit.
Ok, maybe I wasn’t clear, so I apologize, I’m talking about the situation as it is, like with this election.
Edit: I think maybe getting people to run who will change things for racked choice voting is a good strategy long term, and we could and should work for that
A handful of jurisdictions have tried just that, it’s absolutely wild.
You just keep doing what the bumper sticker says, obviously. You vote for the red and they hit you and rob you, vote for the blue and they rob you nicely.
How is this hard for people?
Republicans do what they want and the Democrats ask us to vote for them a little harder and, eventually, they will be able to do something, as long as precedent isn’t broken, as long as it’s the “high road”, as long as it’s not something the parliamentarian can override, etc…
currently,
-hakeem is secretly meeting with kushner. He is also taking Thiel money and setup and AI “regulations committee” with other Dems who take Thiel money.
-AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over actual left candidates
-tammy duckworth says that we shouldnt impeach and should work WITH the traitornazirapistpedophilicwarcriminals.
Can you please explain to me how voting for the “lesser” evil is helpful?
Ah so you think the third of the country that didn’t vote was based and revolutionary, not just passively endorsing Trump.
No. I’m saying we need something new.
Whatever side you are on, unless it is the billionaires, the USA dies when Elon was allowed to take every bit of our most sensitive data and secrets. We are talking about the Pentagon, OPM, and Social Security. Unknown foreign agents with ILLEGAL access, downloaded it all to external servers and I stalled AI and code.
On top of this, our government has been revealed to be a majority of foreign paid agents from Israel that have blackmailed the worst of our politicians into doing their bidding.
These tech Nazis have been given actual military units and ranks, and now Palmer Lucky and Elon Musk will be overseeing killing, autonomous drones that may or may not have nukes.
We lost, we aren’t voting our way out of this
So people who don’t vote actually dont endorse a candidate. This is a bit of an advanced piece of politics, but the way voting in the US works is you vote for a candidate and if you dont vote for someone, then they dont get your vote.
Your logic rests on an assumption that the democrats are owed your vote, which they aren’t. Had Harris won, then you wouldnt be saying the people who didnt vote passively endorsed her, but they would have done that just as much.
Those who don’t vote are in fact doing the opposite of endorsing anyone, they are signalling apathy with the system.And yet a candidate still wins so you either contribute to the lessening of evil or you dont. There is no sitting out of reality
Because the only political action one can take is vote, alright
You dont contribute to “lessening” evil by voting for a genocider.You talk about sitting out of reality, yet you exist in some fantasy land where democrats haven’t made everything much much worse
It’s not like picking the worse evil would get you to a better place either.
Good thing there’s other choices, then.
who said anything about that?
