• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    Hey guys, there is a lot of troll baiting in this thread. You’ve been doing a great job of not falling for it, so I’m not going to lock it. Newbies to this thread, check the times of when it was made and if it brings up the distant past a lot, those are good clues. Leave one comment at most to save everyone’s sanity.

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    Didn’t they dangle an “impeachment” so many times the last time it literally stopped meaning anything? I see thru this game and I ain’t buying it.

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    We haven’t declared war since WW2. Everything has been AUMF, which can be done within 60 days retroactively. As always, the government is checks and balances, so if Congress refuses to exercise its powers and let the executive do whatever, it’s a moot point.

    I think it’d only lead to impeachment if Congress wants us gone within 60 days and Trump refuses, continues without an AUMF, and then Congress actually had the balls to push back at that point.

    But if someone is more familiar with the legal processes involved here, please do correct me or add to this.

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    Not sure who still isn’t getting this.

    There is a literal American traitor in the Oval Office. One who has flagrantly violated the law, and specifically the Constitution, numerous times.

    Impeachment is meaningless, as we’ve witnessed multiple times in American history. Impeachment is an acceptable process if the violation is minimal and not repeated. It’s a slap on the wrist. A warning.

    We are WAY beyond a symbolic slap on the wrist with no real repercussions. Impeachment is not a valid tool to use in a situation like this. At minimum, we are at the point where there needs to be massive protests like we just saw, repeatedly, until he is removed from office. If that fails, then there needs to be a general strike until he’s removed. If that fails, then he needs to be removed from office by force.

    If we can’t manage these things, we will continue seeing the degradation of our freedoms, the collapse of our economy, the destruction of our founding document, signaling the end of our democracy, and the hole we’ll end up finding ourselves in will be one we won’t see this country come out of for the remainder of our lives.

    It is time to remove this traitor and his treasonous enablers from their positions of power.

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    Who cares? He was inoeached before already and it literally did NOTHING

    Wake me up when this bullshit is actually over, all this “oohh, THIS will end him for sure!” every week is tiring

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      I completely agree.
      However, this is exactly what he wants. The more tired we all become of his bullshit and the more we wave it away then the more bullshit he pulls, and gets away with.

      If someone, anyone, had given him any consequences to his actions over the past few decades he wouldn’t be like he is. If just one person took him outside and beat the living fuck out of him then I feel things would be different.
      Things definitely wouldn’t be like they are now. They may not be much better, but they would be better.

      Again, I agree it’s tiring. But I also think we shouldn’t give up.
      So I hope you, and anyone who reads this, starts to feel less of “this is tiring!” And more of “this is tiring l… but we can’t let that rich obese orange rapist drag me down and get away with it!”

      Don’t give up!! Fight him. Pull him up on every single thing and ridicule him.

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    The cop at the protest yawns, unslings his 40mm LMT™ weapon, loads another rubber bullet into it, looks around the crowd for another reporter, aims, and shoots her in the head.

    Idealistic youngling: “Wow, that cop just shot a woman in the head with a rubber bullet, he could totally be charged for that!”

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      Americans are cowards. Period.

      The constitutional right to be ARMED TO THE TEETH and they’re all pissing their pants in fear of… losing their jobs? They literally sat there, watched the worst of humanity seize power, and spent their political capital trying to limit their ability to fight back.

      They deserve whatever they get.

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          Illegally! Amendment 13, Section 3:

          No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

          No such vote was held. The disability was not removed. Allowing the tried and convicted insurrectionist Donald Trump to appear on any ballot for any public position, State or Federal, after he was convicted of insurrection against the United States was the beginning of the Constitutional crisis we are now mired in and all of Congress is complicit.

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            That isn’t what he was convicted of. The charges brought that could’ve made this true were related to the 2023 federal indictment consisting of:

            four criminal charges of conspiring to defraud the government and disenfranchise voters, and corruptly obstructing an official proceeding.

            However, on November 25, 2024 Judge Tanya Chutkan dismissed the case without prejudice.

            The felonies he was convicted for were related to the March 2023 state indictment “The People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump” which consisted of:

            34 criminal charges of falsifying business records in the first degree related to payments made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 presidential election.

            At no point has he been convicted of having:

            engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

            He was convicted of being a fraudster, con-man, liar and sex pest but not for being an insurrectionist. This isn’t a “illegal” problem, it’s a classic case of dual tier justice and the consequences thereof. The justice system is beyond fucked, and has been for a long time. Solutions will not be coming from that line of reasoning.

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    Which the Democrats should absolutely fucking do regardless of whether The Republicans will vote to convict, which of course they won’t, but the point is, we can’t just sit back and do nothing. We have to at least show that we’re willing to take the steps that are necessary to dissent.

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            It can be introduced as a “privileged resolution“ which bypasses Johnson’s ability to do that. That said the GOP still has a number of options to table it, or refer it to committee, but at least that bypasses that fuckwad Johnson. This fucking government I swear to God. Can we just please have a constitutional convention already?

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        Doesn’t matter.

        Every impeachable offense needs to be processed. The time the GOP spends defending him is time they aren’t spending actively destroying the world.

        Plus, we need to have a clear and firm record of who supports his actions.

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    That ship has sailed decades ago. The US hasn’t been officially at war since 1945, and the congress has for all intents and purposes gave up on that power.

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      The speed Congress gave up their constitutional powers to avoid repurcusions for having opinions and voting for them is crazy. But I guess being able to give yourself a raise every year for doing nothing is tempting.