Doublespeak
If corporations are people, we should lock them up for crimes. We should charge personal income tax, charge for social security, and give them the death penalty for murder.
And shouldn’t let them get away with bankruptcy
The US was over the minute this happened
Kind of. Citizens United didn’t just allow unrestricted donations from corporations, but also from trade unions.
The US was over when the Taft-Hartley act was passed, despite Truman’s veto. That banned political donations from trade unions, and put varous measures in place to weaken them. Reagan then killed off the last vestiges of relevance the trade unions had in the political sphere. By the time Citizens United happened, trade unions as a political force were basically non-existent.
I just can’t comprehend how those SC judges were able to justify this to themselves. The reasoning seems absurd.
Money
and power,
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
― Frank Wilhoit
Money is just a convenient vehicle for power to them
Yeah, there’s so many places where things got significantly worse, but this specific one is quite easy to argue is one of the single worst single points in the downturn towards fascism.
If corporations are people, every dollar they spend should be 100% supported by every member of said corporation. You think the janitor wants to donate millions to fascists? Because right now it looks like they do. Forced speech like that should be illegal.
If corporations are people, then they need to pay all their dependants’ taxes, and their own. Also, PPS (Personnel Protective Services) should take all the “children” away from toxic and abusive companies, and place them at companies that value their workers.
The employees aren’t members. The stockholders are.
Your point may still be valid, but the motivations of the stockholders are likely different than the motivations of the employees.
Right now not even shareholders have a say. I for sure don’t have any ability to change where the CEO of the company I have stocks in donates, but I guarantee we are not on the same page.
There don’t seem to be nearly enough attempts to force corporations to explain exactly what their money is trying to say when they donate to candidates from both parties, as many of them have done and still do.
If corporations are people, they should pay the same taxes.
And be incarcerated for crimes.
It’s the corporate quantum superposition
their rate is usually higher actually
No it’s not. They get to deduct expenses. This includes rent, food, gas, car…
But so do sole proprietorships and LLCs
The rate difference has little to do with deductions.
I’m sure you have many years of expertise backing up your baseless assertion
And I’m sure you dig in your ass and smell your fingers. And? Make a fucking argument and support it or gtfo.
i’m sorry you’re not smart enough to do simple addition and multiplication. it’s right there in the tables.
and you should really stop projecting. and wash your hands
Are you a bot? Companies pay tax on profit not income.
no, they pay taxes on income
Congratulations, you’ve discovered the concept of zeroing out a corporation along with 1826.
Nothing the Cons do is about helping anyone but themselves. Our country is too stupid to realize that.
I agree, but there’s at least a few decent candidates who will be on ballots in November who know how to be entertaining, and they’ll attract the stupid ones who only pay attention to the candidates who make the biggest spectacle.
This was a line that should have never been crossed, perhaps the last nail in the coffin of the USA.
Once you open up campaigns to unlimited corporate and billionaire donations, it’s precedent, it’s done.
Politics in the USA is now the easiest way to acquire generational wealth without inheriting it. Nancy Pelosi’s family is set for generations. Trump’s family is now financially secure for centuries. They’re not hiding it.
They won’t give up that money willingly.
Billionaires aren’t people either
More seriously: this line of reasoning has always struck me as incredibly contrived and facile:
- Speech is not subject to the rule of scarcity, and is “free” (as in beer); as such, given a supply of food, water, and breathable air, a person could theoretically speak indefinitely. One’s wealth does not nominally affect how much speech they can output.
- Money is subject to the rule of scarcity, and is not “free” (as in beer); as such, a person has access to substantially different amounts of money based on their personal circumstances, family, upbringing, birth country, etc.; one’s wealth has direct bearing on how much money they can output (and “speak” with).
Another take is that if money is speech then money is fraud, terrorism, fascist oppression, and servitude to foreign interests. So liars who are platformed by media should have all their money taken from them, as well as all media shareholders dispossessed/diluted through nationalization of their shares, and the board of directors/executives of said media also be zeroed out financially.
If they are people they should be able to go to prison like people.
Hey if corporations are people, and you own one, does that make you a slave owner?
Americans are done. America is done.
The time to fight this was before it became law.
It’s over can’t you accept it?? We all saw this happening in front of our eyes but Americans sat on their hands and did nothing and let it happen.
The most idyllic names often hide the worst legislation.
The Free Blowjobs For Everyone Bill that mandates all dicks to be bit off.
“Well, surely they don’t mean my…”
shit
Citizens United was never about helping people
I can’t believe it. An organization originally created to get Michael Moore’s movies banned from theaters on the grounds that it was a form of campaign spending? These are the people with nefarious intent?
tbf, people should not be able to buy politicians either.
I agree, the uber-wealthy should be excluded from the political process. We should have a government of the working class, by the working class, for the working class.
Vote em in, Vote em out. They don’t do what people need, kick em to the curb
Au contraire, it is absolutely about helping people - the only people that matter (to themselves) - the billionaire oligarch class.
(i.e. I do not actually disagree)
