Should be noted: it implies just Palestine to control the area, not a 2 state solution. It has been argued by some that it is thus just “Death to Israel” reworded (or “Death to Palestine”, Israel’s government uses a similar phrase), and can fall under some hate speech laws some instances have to follow. So it is a bit more complicated than pro Palestine phrases being banned.
You can make of that what you will, and they are right to criticise to a point, but don’t follow it with “Death to Westoids”, that’s just silly.
An antisemitic slogan used by Hamas within their charter. Antisemites and the otherwise ignorant use the slogan as a means of co-opting peace efforts and identifying other extremists.
I figure they’re an expert on identifying antisemitic slogans, considering their history and also the whole Hamas verbatim saying the same slogan. Personally I’d question using a phrase that a terrorist organisation also uses, but Lemmy users don’t actually go outside, so shrug
Personally I’d question using a phrase that a terrorist organisation also uses, but Lemmy users don’t actually go outside, so shrug
Well said! I don’t always agree with your viewpoints on all things, but I admire you standing up for yourself and running your community how you see fit.
yeah personally i no longer care about lemmy and don’t care to give it liberal wholesomeness or the whole equality and fairness rubbish when the whole of lemmy despises liberalism. so fuck em, they don’t get it.
Germany has a Staatsräson that follows Israeli state narratives as an official form of redemption for their past and does not recognize the ongoing genocide against the Palestinians committed by the Zionist Entity, which is heavily supported by German weaponry. Germany, being accused of complicity in said genocide in front of the International Court of Justice. The chancellor calls the racist annihilation and colonization of Palestinian land „Drecksarbeit“ (dirty work).
The phrase is not illegal in Germany, as there is no law against it and courts have decided in favor of the legality. But it is misused for state repression against protests against genocide, by misusing anti-semitism as a pretense, just like you do. People that like to equal Judaism and Zionism, which in itself is anti-semitic, as it umbrellas every Jew under the atrocities, that are committed by the Zionist state of Israel.
The phrase implies freedom from colonization and for all people in the land of Palestine, which includes Jews, btw. Interpreting it as anti-semitic is a malicious use of the term, just like it’s misused to smother every form of dissent. Israel itself uses the phrase to advertise their imperialist greater Israel project, and therefore again create a narrative where they themselves do what they are accusing others of, as they are the ones actually doing the ethnic cleansing, not the would-be one by Hamas, that disingenuous people like you try to focus on.
Germany has no authority over the definition and use of the term anti-semitism and how would they, as they did the freaking Holocaust in the first place. But what they like to do is do everything that Israel wants in order to appear as the chastened and repentant nation they wish to portrait. You clinging to that kind of argumentation is very telling, same as banning for the use of the phrase. But you are a Zionist, and as Germany will oppress resistance, so will you by willfully mischaracterizing the ways in which the phrase is used as anti-Jewish, instead of anti-colonial or anti-racist or anti-Zionist.
talk whatever shit you want about israel or palestine or whatever sandshit you wanna whine about, don’t care, just don’t go posting hamas slogans or nazi shit or whatever the fuck
i don’t like the phrase since it’s mentioned within the hamas charter, that’s enough reason for me
I’ve pretty much only seen the phrase used by anti-Palestinian genocide supporters and only deemed anti-semetic by Israel and those who kowtow to Israel.
I would have thought you would also be against the genocide of Palestinians.
I’ve pretty much only seen the phrase used by anti-Palestinian genocide supporters and only deemed anti-semetic by Israel and those who kowtow to Israel.
Unfortunately, it’s also associated with a form of the one-state solution that involves throwing the Jews “back to the sea”, as many ‘leftists’ and some self-professed anarchists here will simp for.
Whether it’s been reclaimed by Fatah’s moderation in the 90s for a more inclusive one-state solution, and Hamas’s subsequent conciliatory position in the late 2010s, is certainly a matter of personal opinion. I wouldn’t regard it as antisemitic, but I do understand that it gets hackles up for reasons that are more complex than just “They obviously support the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel”
I’m against all genocide. But I’m not so campist to the point where I turn a blind eye to bigotry and hatred, and I honestly don’t care what internet weirdoes think, especially Lemmy of all places.
River to sea was banned on which instance?
wtf is river to sea?
Pro Palestine slogan. “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free”
Ahhh. I’d never heard it (read it) before.
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Hey Stank, meds not kicked in yet?
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Should be noted: it implies just Palestine to control the area, not a 2 state solution. It has been argued by some that it is thus just “Death to Israel” reworded (or “Death to Palestine”, Israel’s government uses a similar phrase), and can fall under some hate speech laws some instances have to follow. So it is a bit more complicated than pro Palestine phrases being banned.
You can make of that what you will, and they are right to criticise to a point, but don’t follow it with “Death to Westoids”, that’s just silly.
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The river goes into the sea
An antisemitic slogan used by Hamas within their charter. Antisemites and the otherwise ignorant use the slogan as a means of co-opting peace efforts and identifying other extremists.
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and i will be free from hearing about sandshit
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On what planet is this antisemitic? That’s like saying MLK’s I have a dream speech is anti-white.
Germany, amongst many.
I figure they’re an expert on identifying antisemitic slogans, considering their history and also the whole Hamas verbatim saying the same slogan. Personally I’d question using a phrase that a terrorist organisation also uses, but Lemmy users don’t actually go outside, so shrug
either way if you use it here i’ll ban ya
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Well said! I don’t always agree with your viewpoints on all things, but I admire you standing up for yourself and running your community how you see fit.
yeah personally i no longer care about lemmy and don’t care to give it liberal wholesomeness or the whole equality and fairness rubbish when the whole of lemmy despises liberalism. so fuck em, they don’t get it.
You figure wrong.
Germany has a Staatsräson that follows Israeli state narratives as an official form of redemption for their past and does not recognize the ongoing genocide against the Palestinians committed by the Zionist Entity, which is heavily supported by German weaponry. Germany, being accused of complicity in said genocide in front of the International Court of Justice. The chancellor calls the racist annihilation and colonization of Palestinian land „Drecksarbeit“ (dirty work).
The phrase is not illegal in Germany, as there is no law against it and courts have decided in favor of the legality. But it is misused for state repression against protests against genocide, by misusing anti-semitism as a pretense, just like you do. People that like to equal Judaism and Zionism, which in itself is anti-semitic, as it umbrellas every Jew under the atrocities, that are committed by the Zionist state of Israel.
The phrase implies freedom from colonization and for all people in the land of Palestine, which includes Jews, btw. Interpreting it as anti-semitic is a malicious use of the term, just like it’s misused to smother every form of dissent. Israel itself uses the phrase to advertise their imperialist greater Israel project, and therefore again create a narrative where they themselves do what they are accusing others of, as they are the ones actually doing the ethnic cleansing, not the would-be one by Hamas, that disingenuous people like you try to focus on.
Germany has no authority over the definition and use of the term anti-semitism and how would they, as they did the freaking Holocaust in the first place. But what they like to do is do everything that Israel wants in order to appear as the chastened and repentant nation they wish to portrait. You clinging to that kind of argumentation is very telling, same as banning for the use of the phrase. But you are a Zionist, and as Germany will oppress resistance, so will you by willfully mischaracterizing the ways in which the phrase is used as anti-Jewish, instead of anti-colonial or anti-racist or anti-Zionist.
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Are you a dumbass?
How is “I don’t like it” = supportive of genocide? brainrot
I don’t care. I don’t like it. Don’t use it here
talk whatever shit you want about israel or palestine or whatever sandshit you wanna whine about, don’t care, just don’t go posting hamas slogans or nazi shit or whatever the fuck
i don’t like the phrase since it’s mentioned within the hamas charter, that’s enough reason for me
Not beating the allegations, are we?
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you think i give a shit?
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I’ve pretty much only seen the phrase used by anti-Palestinian genocide supporters and only deemed anti-semetic by Israel and those who kowtow to Israel.
I would have thought you would also be against the genocide of Palestinians.
Unfortunately, it’s also associated with a form of the one-state solution that involves throwing the Jews “back to the sea”, as many ‘leftists’ and some self-professed anarchists here will simp for.
Whether it’s been reclaimed by Fatah’s moderation in the 90s for a more inclusive one-state solution, and Hamas’s subsequent conciliatory position in the late 2010s, is certainly a matter of personal opinion. I wouldn’t regard it as antisemitic, but I do understand that it gets hackles up for reasons that are more complex than just “They obviously support the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel”
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I’m against all genocide. But I’m not so campist to the point where I turn a blind eye to bigotry and hatred, and I honestly don’t care what internet weirdoes think, especially Lemmy of all places.
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