Right, there is no valid argument that is based on reality, not Hollywood fantasy, for restricting suppressors or taxing suppressors, a literal safety device. It’s like restricting and taxing airbags on a car.
I’d say its more akin to restricting muffler use on cars. Instead, we usually place upper limits on how loud a car’s exhaust can be. Hearing protection is important and muffler/suppressor use should be encouraged.
There are microphones placed around some cities that can triangulate the location of gunshots with great accuracy and provide rapid response. Whether or not you think this is a good thing is another topic. I’m just shocked more people don’t know about this.
edit: I literally do not care, it’s a minor issue to me, spamming me with links about this thing you’re frothing over means nothing to me, I’m not even contesting anything, there’s like three people reading down this far, you need to get off the soapbox and chill bros.
Those systems were forced into city budgets even though they’re highly prone to mistakes and mostly useless. It was basically some sweetheart deal for the company that manufactures it, and placed almost entirely in lower income neighborhoods. Fuck that stupid ass bloatware—not to mention fuck the eavesdropping machines that they really are. Sensitive microphones and you think the cops are only using that access to listen for gunshots? Fuuuuck no.
This is provably false. Shotspotter is incredibly inaccurate, the false positive rate is EXTREME (84% false positive rate). Even when it does correctly detect a gunshot, this information is of almost no value to police. 0.9% of shotspotter detections led to seizure of a firearm and 0.7% of detections led to an arrest. This means that literally over 99% of shotspotter detections are wrong or unhelpful. It’s a totally bunk system that does not work and provides no value to a community’s safety.
The most value shotspotter has to police has literally nothing to do with guns or suppressors. The shotspotter towers can be used as general surveillance of the public, because the microphone systems are able to record human voices, and these recordings have even been used as evidence in court to make convictions.
It is actually a major waste of police resources as they constantly respond to false positives and dead end leads with no useful information. Shotspotter is so ineffective and wasteful that many cities are canceling their contracts.
Suppressors would have almost no impact on how effective shotspotter systems are, regardless of the fact they are only 0.9% effective anyway and can’t really get any worse, but because the gunshots when using a suppressor are still loud enough to cause hearing loss and would still theoretically be detected by these microphone systems. From the company’s own promotional material:
Of course you have strong feelings about it, your brain writes stories to explain your feelings, that’s how reality itself works. Denying it is denying reality.
what a fantastic distortion of reality. Only in America. god forbid you wore your actual ppe while using firearms. poor baby, wants the boom boom but doesn’t like the bang bang.
take your tinnitus like the rest of us and stop fuckin crying.
What is the reality, then? the reality is that you don’t need a suppressor, you’re a gravy seal who wants one. Cans and plugs would protect your hearing better, you CHOOSE not to use them or can’t figure it out.
Odds are exceptionally high that your hearing is already for shit from days on the range, don’t shit a shitter bucko.
Why can’t people who want to play soldier just fuckin enlist already. Sad pogue posers.
Quote me where I claimed a supressor is necessary in order to use a firearm.
Strike 2! Is something wrong? I would think it easy to scroll up and find my words that make this claim, since you seem so convinced that’s what I’ve said. Whatever could be the problem preventing you?? 😛
Yes, airbags are exempt items from the National Firearms Act. Your question genuinely doesn’t make sense. What tax do you think applies to airbags? Property tax? Sales tax? No one is suggesting suppressors be “tax-exempt”, especially because that term doesn’t make any sense in this context.
Right, there is no valid argument that is based on reality, not Hollywood fantasy, for restricting suppressors or taxing suppressors, a literal safety device. It’s like restricting and taxing airbags on a car.
I’d say its more akin to restricting muffler use on cars. Instead, we usually place upper limits on how loud a car’s exhaust can be. Hearing protection is important and muffler/suppressor use should be encouraged.
Automakers trying to make airbags a subscription: furious note taking
There are microphones placed around some cities that can triangulate the location of gunshots with great accuracy and provide rapid response. Whether or not you think this is a good thing is another topic. I’m just shocked more people don’t know about this.
edit: I literally do not care, it’s a minor issue to me, spamming me with links about this thing you’re frothing over means nothing to me, I’m not even contesting anything, there’s like three people reading down this far, you need to get off the soapbox and chill bros.
makes an incorrect claim, gets factually proven wrong
“I dOn’T cAAAAAAAAAAAAArE!!! pOsTiNg SoUrCeS iS sPaMmInG!!! sToP fRoThInG!!!”
lmao.
Those systems were forced into city budgets even though they’re highly prone to mistakes and mostly useless. It was basically some sweetheart deal for the company that manufactures it, and placed almost entirely in lower income neighborhoods. Fuck that stupid ass bloatware—not to mention fuck the eavesdropping machines that they really are. Sensitive microphones and you think the cops are only using that access to listen for gunshots? Fuuuuck no.
Cops regularly call the company and ask them to “find” gunshots in convenient locations. They’re just another tool of oppression.
https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection
I’m well aware of shotspotter systems.
This is provably false. Shotspotter is incredibly inaccurate, the false positive rate is EXTREME (84% false positive rate). Even when it does correctly detect a gunshot, this information is of almost no value to police. 0.9% of shotspotter detections led to seizure of a firearm and 0.7% of detections led to an arrest. This means that literally over 99% of shotspotter detections are wrong or unhelpful. It’s a totally bunk system that does not work and provides no value to a community’s safety.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/12/05/new-study-nypd-shotspotter-gunshot-detection-is-wildly-inaccurate/
The most value shotspotter has to police has literally nothing to do with guns or suppressors. The shotspotter towers can be used as general surveillance of the public, because the microphone systems are able to record human voices, and these recordings have even been used as evidence in court to make convictions.
https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection
It is actually a major waste of police resources as they constantly respond to false positives and dead end leads with no useful information. Shotspotter is so ineffective and wasteful that many cities are canceling their contracts.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/dayton-not-renewing-contract-with-shotspotter-program/PYYGLLNVRJGUHEAF4OSJJ7K4NA/
Suppressors would have almost no impact on how effective shotspotter systems are, regardless of the fact they are only 0.9% effective anyway and can’t really get any worse, but because the gunshots when using a suppressor are still loud enough to cause hearing loss and would still theoretically be detected by these microphone systems. From the company’s own promotional material:
https://www.soundthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FAQ-June-2019.pdf
You have much stronger feelings about all of this than me, have a good one.
These aren’t my feelings, they are facts.
Of course you have strong feelings about it, your brain writes stories to explain your feelings, that’s how reality itself works. Denying it is denying reality.
But that’s just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality
Those are mostly bullshit and used to excuse militarized police incursions into poor black neighborhoods.
what a fantastic distortion of reality. Only in America. god forbid you wore your actual ppe while using firearms. poor baby, wants the boom boom but doesn’t like the bang bang.
take your tinnitus like the rest of us and stop fuckin crying.
What is the reality, then? Tell me how I’m wrong (you cannot).
Hearing protection is still required when using a surpressor to prevent hearing damage
Add this to your collection friend
you don’t need a suppressor. You want it. it being a necessary tool in order to use your firearm is a myth.
You didn’t even try.
ooh gravy seal crew here for brigading lol
Are you replying to the wrong comment? Quote me where I claimed a supressor is necessary in order to use a firearm. I’ll wait.
I even quoted you:
What is the reality, then? the reality is that you don’t need a suppressor, you’re a gravy seal who wants one. Cans and plugs would protect your hearing better, you CHOOSE not to use them or can’t figure it out.
Odds are exceptionally high that your hearing is already for shit from days on the range, don’t shit a shitter bucko.
Why can’t people who want to play soldier just fuckin enlist already. Sad pogue posers.
“I even quoted you: [empty space where a quote would be, if you had one]”
Still waiting. 😴
the reality is you don’t need it, you just want it because you want to be like a real soldier.
I can’t dumb it down further for you, sorry, I didn’t bring my crayons.
Strike 2! Is something wrong? I would think it easy to scroll up and find my words that make this claim, since you seem so convinced that’s what I’ve said. Whatever could be the problem preventing you?? 😛
Are airbags tax-exempt?
Worse they are tarrifed we import basically all of them for every kind of car
Yes, airbags are exempt items from the National Firearms Act. Your question genuinely doesn’t make sense. What tax do you think applies to airbags? Property tax? Sales tax? No one is suggesting suppressors be “tax-exempt”, especially because that term doesn’t make any sense in this context.
VAT. I didn’t know the United States doesn’t have that.
the us is 50 states each with many counties and many cities in raceach of those, just because one level doesn’t have tax doesn’t mean the others don’t
This sounded like you were arguing that they should be tax-exempt.
The problem with your comment, yet again, is “tax-exempt” is a meaningless term in this context. What does that mean, exactly? Exempt from what tax?
I am merely trying to decipher your words. So why don’t you just tell us what you mean?
Prior to this bill, the sale of a supressor would incur an additional $200 federal tax on top of whatever state sales tax was owed.