‘For those of us with nothing to fear, the truth can’t come soon enough,’ the actor shared on X
Crazy how Spacey’s career abruptly ended, even though he was acquitted and/or found not guilty. Yet Trump, who has lost his civil sexual assault cases, is the fucking president of the United States and no one will do anything about it.
You forgot about being a 34x convicted but not sentenced criminal.
He was sentenced, it’s just that his sentence was … nothing. Which of course is a totally appropriate penalty for a fucking felony.
*34 fucking felonies
Spacey would still be making movies now if he’d just preyed on vulnerable women instead.
Dustin Hoffman, Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Seacrest all have multiple SA allegations that they were able to play down and keep working, but those were all from women.
Most homophobia stems from the fear of male rape, so the usual meninist/MRA crowd who scrambled to defend “innocent until proven guilty” for Russell Brand (3 upcoming producer credits) are nowhere to be seen when it’s Spacey.
(for clarity, this is not a defense of Spacey, it’s an attack on hypocrisy)
The only way I can lose is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.
– Edwin Edwards
Jesus Christ is that a real quote? It’s accurate AF. Like, uncomfortably accurate.
Yup.
How can you mention these people and forget Jared Leto? He’s an actual cult leader.
I think if your whole brand is being a creepy weirdo, that sort of makes you immune to the consequences of being identified as one.
I’m always pointing this out
Shane Gillis jokes about the only thing worse than Vikings are, gay Vikings.
That dude can suck the shit directly from my asshole.
😎
Hahahahahahahaha gay Vikings he said!
It’s a joke about the hypocrisy of it. Not hating on someone being gay.
Much like how society gives celebrity abusers of women a free pass. How spacey has been cancelled (rightfully so), but Trump is president.
The joke points that out. But sure, take it literally.
yes, it is revealing how flexible the conservative soul is when it comes to corruption and perversion, while simultaneously being inflexible about things like compassion, charity and kindness.
The only true thing Trump has ever uttered was that he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose support.
That is so not true. He also said “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
Fair enough! Two true things.
You know what though? I bet he was lying. I bet he doesn’t just start kissing them. I bet he does wait. That’s totally what TACO would do.
Worth noting Spacey is currently on Epstein flight logs that have been released
Epstein’s private plane took President Bill Clinton, actor Kevin Spacey, and comedian Chris Tucker to Africa
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-traveled-with-bill-clinton-kevin-spacey-2019-7
There is a list here:
https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann/history.htm#epstein_list
That website looks terrible. And it labels jewish people directly?
That’s really fucking funny, if true. (black humor, dead baby funny)
You got a sauce on this?
fucking president of the United States
My pet theory here is that the RNC likes having a populist for election purposes and someone who is culpable that can be ejected if needed. In this case, culpability has to fall outside range of a self-pardon or any presidential immunity. I think the civil cases qualify for that, but I’m not sure.
probably the severity, and the amount of people he targeted, plus anthony rapps “confession” about him being targeted by spacey. Also movies/shows dont want to be associated with a known pedophile too, so they wouldnt cast him anything anyways.
Why though? Why is it assumed that people will boycott a show/movie if it has a known paedophile in it, while brands/political parties with a mass-sex-offender at the helm are just peachy?
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He didn’t do it? Oh good, I liked him in K-PAX
Not guilty isn’t the same thing as “didnt do it”
From Wikipedia:
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse,[10] including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son;[11][12] filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos;[13] Richard Dreyfuss’ son Harry;[14] and eight people who worked on House of Cards.[15] The Guardian was contacted by “a number of people” who alleged that Spacey “groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men” as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
A judge in Los Angeles this summer approved an arbitrator’s decision to order Spacey to pay $30.9 million to the makers of “House of Cards” for violating his contract by sexually harassing crew members.
Yeah he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser. As far as we know.
he’s still a creep/sex pest, just not a child abuser.
Doubtful tbh
Welcome to paid politics
We don’t need your help here…
Right? Like we get it, you’re not in the files, and you want to remind everyone you were acquitted and found not civilly liable of your own sexual misconduct. But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.
Basically the courts don’t matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a “the courts are corrupt” and “the rich never get punished” or some similar BS?
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished? Trump and those 34 convictions that resulted in nothing already forgotten? Diddy getting a not guilty for the severe charges also forgotten?
I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished?
Ekhm… Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are suddenly no longer considered rich?
So far Cosby’s was overturned and he’s not in jail, and Weinstein’s was overturned and he is awaiting a retrial (granted, he is doing so in prison).
Lol all I could think was “these are terrible examples”
Legal doesn’t always mean morally right. He’s a free man, but that doesn’t mean he still needs to take up one of the rare vip spots, I’m sure there are unheard voices and talented actors who deserve it more.
The courts do matter, for legal decisions. They don’t have the final say beyond that. Sure, you can use them as a data point, but the requirement for finding someone guilty for a criminal charge is “beyond a reasonable doubt” (aka, there’s only a slim chance it isn’t true).
Socially, that isn’t required. Usually we only care if it’s more likely than not. Sometimes, depending on the severity of the accusation, a lot of people have an even lower barrier for taking it into account to effect their opinion of the person. For example, if there’s some evidence that someone is a murderer, but not “beyond a reasonable doubt,” I’m probably not going to hang out with them, especially alone.
What matters is what’s true, and the courts ARE getting more compromised every day. The rich get punished less, that’s the way it’s always worked.
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
Mate, are you saying that Spacey has more pull, or access to better lawyers, than Harvey Weinstein…?
Lawyers? Maybe not. Blackmail on dangerous people? Maybe.
Remember that weirdly threatening video he put out on Christmas?
Remember when three of his accusers died and the rest dropped their charges?
I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.
I wasn’t wrong though. You just agreed with that exact position. 🤣
Point is there’s a spectrum of corruption and unfairness, and it’s getting worse. Guess you think the courts are perfectly fair and there’s no benefit to being rich? And I never said public opinion matters lol but fuck voting I guess, hooray for gerrymandering?
When it comes to matters of judgement, I use my own. The courts don’t have to be corrupt for them to fail sexual assault victims, but yes there is plenty of corruption, too.
Are you suggesting economics don’t affect putcomes in the courts? Are you suggesting that there is no corruption within the judicial system? Are you saying that sexual predators always go to jail for their crimes?
I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.
It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…
Different jurors.
Different circumstances and different crimes, and especially different victims.
Also, Weinstein and Cosby were openly assaulting women for decades. They victimized hundreds of women, and Cosby isn’t even in jail anymore.
Is defending spacey really the creep hill to die on?
I just hate hypocrisy.
Me too but I ain’t gonna jump in to defend diddy cause he got off on the trafficking charges.
Bully for you.
Kevin Spacey aside, you seem to be saying you don’t support the concept of “innocent until proven guilty.”
Not when your remaining accusers dropped their charges against you after a few of them died in mysterious accidents after you put out a weirdly threatening video on Christmas.
and one that “moved past your assault on him”- aka RAPP
Just say “no.”
Principles that only apply when it’s easy aren’t principles.
You’re applying a moral code to me that I haven’t agreed to. You don’t know what my principles are.
Is highly suspicious.
If my only choice in this matter is to either see his movies or not, I will not. On matter of Hollywood, it’s best to assume that they’re all guilty of something if their success outweighs their talent. Why does Jared Leto keep getting work despite being terrible to work with? Could it be his private sex cult island?
I’m literally asking you what moral code you adhere to. Is “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” something you agree with, or not?
This isn’t the court of law and my judgement does not have the same weight as a juror.
Also, what is and is not legal is not the same as what is and is not moral.
They already answered you. They don’t feel that all of Kevin Spacey’s accusers actually got their “day in court” because there’s evidence to show that they were coerced into dropping their cases, and for some of them they died. So no, “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” doesn’t apply when we didn’t get an actual conclusion to most of the cases. There’s a vast difference between being found “not guilty” and “having charges dismissed”.
But apparently nuance is too much for you and you want simple hard fast rules that apply to everything. In which case, maybe read the thousands of years of moral philosophy dealing with that exact topic and see if you can reduce all of it to a single platitude. No one’s done it before, but apparently your smartass is up for the challenge since you’re the resident authority around here.
Innocent until proven guilty is not a moral code, it’s a legal one. Courts do not dictate reality or morality, they are obviously imperfect social constructs and to pretend otherwise is foolish.
Is Redditor a slur here 😝😝😝
You seem to be saying you don’t understand the concept or “innocent until proven guilty.” That applies to legal repercussions. It doesn’t mean that a man with many accusations of sexual assault deserves the benefit of the doubt. I find the numerous accusations against him credible, and I found his denials uncredible. Especially when you consider several of his accusers have died under questionable circumstances.
I find any accusations aggainst any celebrity have zero value unless proven in court beyond all reasonable doubt.
People who live off of lawsuits do exist.Except the accusation came from another celebrity, and started a very long time before the lawsuit. Going public hurt the accusers career, and after Rapp lost his court case, 14 other victims came forward. They all described, independently, the same pattern of behavior.
Also, it wasn’t only about the allegations with him. The dude made some bad PR choices as a result of the allegations that made him look like a shitty person whether or not he was guilty.
Right, like if I were on a jury, I don’t know how I would vote given the evidence against him. But his reputation as a sleaze preceded the accusations. I wouldn’t leave my kids alone with the guy.
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Plus he’s probably just not in the files because Epstein had young girls.
I mean, it’s the one time he’s guaranteed to not be named in a sexual assault case, so why not?
“My computer recently crashed and I’ve lost all my friends’ email addresses.”
I think it’s more like Epstein specialized in girls
Game recognizes game.
😭😭😭 he’s just salty
Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and Dustin Hoffman walk into an Irish pub.
The bartender sighs, “Oh no, not Yewtree again…”
probably becauses hes into male minors. and not female like most of the pedophiles/ephebophiles out there.
Not googling that word
It’s just a synonym for libertarian.
That’s so funny
Let Gianmarco Soresi explain it!
Dammit, we all think alike nowadays… XD
It’s a distinction some make, where pedophiles go for the kid kids, like prepubescent, where ephebophiles want the ones who have at least started puberty but are still kids.
Hold my beer, it’s even more complicated
- Infantophiles go for 0-5 (up until developed consciousness)
- Pedophiles ~6-beginning of puberty
- Hebephiles - going through puberty
- Ephebophiles - after puberty but before adulthood
- Teleiophiles - 18-late 30s
- Mesophiles - 40s-60s
- Gerontophiles - 70+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronophilia
Don’t ask me why I know, I just like getting to the grit of things.
I’m going to accuse some people of being Teleiophiles and Mesophiles.
Careful with the mesophile label, some microbiologists may start watching you with interest.
Lol
Okay, but then why did you laminate the legal statute so you could carry it in your wallet?
some
Never seen such a loaded some.
Actually it’s sort of scientific consensus. Not that it matters much for casual conversation (do not fuck minors, what’s so hard about that), but the distinction is real.
obligatory nerdy note that all those -philias refer to attraction, and not action; pedophile might not abuse children but still be pedophile; child abuser is not necessarily pedophile
I’m wondering what kind of international incident this will cause. Who else is in there, it can’t be just Americans?
Rich people are not an America-only issue.
That’s my point.
The rest of the world is marginally better at hiding things and ‘censoring’ people
I know and agree with everyone’s anger toward Spacey. But, and hear me out here, if it means releasing the Epstein files, then so be it. Let the man speak. Once that’s done, he can go fuck right off again.
Somehow I don’t think he’ll be the make-or-break that determines whether the files get released.
It’s a team effort.
He should know his place is on the bench then
hes probably just trying to downplay his pedophelia by saying “look at these other pedophiles that havnt be outed” he tried this many many times in the pandemic, trying to downplay his pedophelia.
I’m sure his statement will be the thing that tips the scales.
Anything to ratchet up the pressure on that orange toddler is welcomed.
Perverts can sniff out other perverts I guess is the point of this story?
By this logic, we all are perverts since we all know who is on that list.
Don’t know about you but I am a pervert and a goober but ya know what I have standards. Consent being one of them, the other is that I will never stick my dick into a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist.
I have no problem with perverts who seek consent.
my personal objection.
releasing the Epstein’s files will include people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
however, it would be very clear that those people are innocent, and they’re will be people in the files that were clearly diddling children.
Either the files should be released in full and the only consequence for people who casually met Epstein and never interacted with him will be some conspiracy nuts harassing them. or at worse censor the list for those names.
Also, just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.
“just because there isn’t a file named “Epstein’s client list.docx” doesn’t mean there isn’t info about his clients.”
Exactly, this focus on a “list” drives me crazy. If detectives investigating a murder don’t find a piece of paper with the victim’s name on it in the killer’s possession, they don’t throw their hands up and say, damn he got away with it.
Epstein’s entire business model revolved around having receipts on his clients, that’s how he stayed out of prison for decades, and it’s why they are covering it up now. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s a supressed criminal investigation.
the conspiracy is about who (we know who) and why (we know why) the criminal investigation is being suppressed.
people he wanted to target but never got anywhere.
All it’ll do is make a list of probabilities.
If you were caught having sex with an intern, AND you were in Epstein’s book, it just has a higher chance. However, he’s more likely to go after someone who has been publicly caught.
The black book isn’t as interesting as the redacted information in the court papers. Sealed details about the official testimony are going to be far more damning than his little black book.
Also, there may be stuff like flight logs of personal accounts putting people in bad places.
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
Its easy if you have nothing to fear because you are already convicted
He wasn’t though, except in the court of public opinion. He’s been acquitted or found not liable in all of the cases which have gone to trial.
Oh, I didn’t follow it closely but I was convinced he was convicted of sexual abuse. I guess it just speaks about the power of public opinion even if you don’t get formally convicted. For better or worse.
he was convicted of sexual abuse
Only by the people who were nowhere near the court cases. E.g. at least half of the Internet.
And all the suspiciously dead accusers.
Unless there’s evidence connecting him to the deaths then yes just a coincidence
You mean one dead accuser?
The second one never did anything other than press runs.
The third one was a convicted stalker.
I didn’t know it either
That fits with his preference for the truth to come out.
But will Epstein make a difference here any more than winning court cases did to restore Spacey’s image?
He’s not worried because Epstein didn’t traffic little boys.
We actually don’t know that. We just know for sure that he and Maxwell trafficked little girls for a whole bunch of famous and powerful people who killed him before he could talk.
I’m sure there’s a different operation that caters for men that like little boys run by someone else we don’t know about.
We need to ask lindsey graham if there is one. Even if he didn’t use the services, I bet he knows what it is.
Or if he beat it in court
Of course you can be convicted more than once for the same crime. If it happened to different victims in different occasions, you can.
He proudly proclaims that he didnt need any help to prey upon his victims
because all his victims died, dropped charges, or dint bother accusing him anymore.
Because they were all male. Female SA victims report at a low percentage. Males are even lower because of a perceived lack of “manliness” from being a victim.
In 2017, Spacey faced several allegations of sexual assault and sexual harassment. On October 29, 2017, actor Anthony Rapp was the first to accuse Spacey of sexual misconduct.In the following weeks, other accusers came forward, including actor Roberto Cavazos, filmmaker Tony Montana, Richard Dreyfuss’s son Harry, and at least eight people who worked on House of Cards.
In the wake of these claims, Netflix cut ties with Spacey, shelving his biopic of Gore Vidal and removing him from the last season of House of Cards. His completed role as J. Paul Getty in Ridley Scott’s film All the Money in the World (2017) was reshot with Christopher Plummer. Spacey has denied the accusations and was found not liable in a 2022 civil lawsuit filed by Rapp in New York. In a separate criminal case in London, he was acquitted by a jury of sexual assault charges in 2023.
For the people who know he did smth, but didn’t know what. I had always assumed bit was paedophilia or smth. Gay sexual misconduct was not gonna be smth I would’ve guessed, didnt even know he was gay. But then again I know nothing of any celebrity’s life.
With the number of people from just the house of cards set making the allegations, it feels highly likely he’s guilty.
Those allegations began after Anthony Rapp alleged that Spacey, while appearing intoxicated, made a sexual advance toward him at a party in 1986, when Rapp was 14 (so it was pedophilia after all) and Spacey was 27. Rapp had also shared this story in a 2001 interview with The Advocate, but Spacey’s name was redacted from publication to avoid legal disputes and public outing.
Spacey stated on Twitter that he did not remember the encounter, but that he owed Rapp “the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior” if he had behaved as asserted.
On September 9, 2020, Rapp sued Spacey for sexual assault, sexual battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress under the Child Victims Act.
In the subsequent federal civil court proceeding, a jury found that Spacey did not molest Rapp and was found not liable on all counts, with Rapp subsequently ordered by the court to pay Spacey $39,089 for the costs of litigation.
Fifteen others then came forward alleging similar abuse, including Boston anchorwoman Heather Unruh, who alleged that Spacey sexually assaulted her son; filmmaker Tony Montana; actor Roberto Cavazos; Richard Dreyfuss’ son Harry; and eight people who worked on House of Cards. The Guardian was contacted by “a number of people” who alleged that Spacey “groped and behaved in an inappropriate way with young men” as artistic director of The Old Vic theatre.
Jesus fucking Christ this is bleak.
Rapp had to pay Spacey thirty nine thousand dollars.
If you ever wonder why victims don’t come forward, think about the humiliation, the accusations, the assumptions, the trauma relived and repeated and revisited and repeated again and again. And in the end, the law says “we won’t protect you” and the court says “we don’t believe you” and your abuser says “you owe me money.”
Did you ignore the part where the court found that it likely did not happen?
Real fucking weird to pretend to care about “innocent until proven guilty” while simultaneously holding the opinion of “guilty even if proven not guilty”
The court found that it couldn’t be proven to have happened. Did you ignore the part where Spacey apologized to Rapp for the “incident” before the lawsuit?
Real fucking weird to go to bat to defend the reputation of a serial sexual predator, but do go on because we’re learning a bit about you today.
Spacey stated on Twitter that he did not remember the encounter, but that he owed Rapp “the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior” if he had behaved as asserted.
Characterizing this as “he apologized for the incident” is disingenuous at best and the reason we have courts with lawyers, juries and judges.
Spacey was disingenuous at best, and was trying to clear his conscience and avoid self-incrimination at the same time.
Maybe, but you made it sound like he admitted to “the incident”, when what he did was the typical non-apology while admitting nothing.
Heather Unruh
This one was actually hilarious.
They stated that her son was texting his girlfriend while Spacey was “doing the deed”. When asked to admit the phone as evidence, they said that they “lost the phone”.
It magically resurfaced a couple of months later, but… without the text messages. Unruh admitted that she deleted “some texts”.
The only thing that’s bleak about this story is how the public hung a guy who seems to be only guilty of giving off weird vibes.
Ive always said that everyone gives Leo a hard time about dating young models and other rich celebrities who try to fuck people who are lets be charitable and say “Age inappropriate” (not everyone walks around Hollywood parties with a sign around their neck that says 14yo) that if the rest of us had fame, millions of dollars, movie star charisma and young attractive people trying to fuck us can we absolutely 100% say we wouldnt act any better?
it feels highly likely he’s guilty
It depends on what your charges are (and I know someone will only read one sentence of this and down vote me but please hear me out.) Is he a criminal? No. Not after the shit show that was his trial. His accusers were caught flat out lying so hard I doubt there is a judge in this world who would’ve found Spacey guilty. The guy was totally cancelled, no friends with the back against a wall but walked out free because the accusers couldn’t come up with a story that didn’t contradict basic, easily verifiable facts like dates for example.
Is he a huge, narcissistic slug with a short temper that abused his status to do unethical things? Yeah, I think so. I guess that was the reason he had no allies in any of this. His “friends” probably never really liked the guy and didn’t think he was worth risking their entire careers for even if they believed him.
Why am I saying all this? Because it serves as yet another example where the court of the public was way too overkill because of some hearsay. The mob is more invested in their own individual feelings than the facts. “It feels highly likely he’s guilty” really hammers home what went wrong here.
Someone doesn’t have to actually do crimes to be a bad person. I haven’t watched Spacey movies since all of this just like I haven’t watched Cruise movies ever since I first heard about Scientology. Seeing their faces gives me the ick and I don’t think these guys deserve my support but that doesn’t mean I think they’re rapists.
That being said we both know why he probably asks for the release of the files. It doesn’t matter if he’s guilty when everyone thinks he is so this little PR stunt is a desperate attempt to be on the right side of something and make himself look less guilty no matter if the files are released or not. I have little pity for him but we can do better.
I generally agree with everything you said.
But it’s also possible he just wants them released for the correct reason too, PR or not. I don’t really understand why the leap is always to something cynical like that as a matter of course. Even if you don’t like these people, they are still people
it feels highly likely he’s guilty
And yet he was found not guilty in literally all cases that went to court…
I remember him being accused of touching little girls and his only defense to that was “but I am gay?”
it was rapps testimony that was most damning, plus rapp was already on STDiscovery so it gave him more clout to out spacey.
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