• zeca@lemmy.ml
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    “Both sides are bad” are designed to encourage people to join or form alternative movements. Not voting is a possible, but not necessary, collateral side effect. The strenghtening of alternative movements is the only way out of this bipartisan nightmare, even if today it seems unreachable.

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    If you guarantee your vote to someone, they will lose any incentive to act for your benefit. It’s really that simple. And if genocide is not a bridge too far for you, God help you, because obviously there’s no limit to what you’ll put up with.

  • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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    You gotta keep voting the lesser of two evils for the main elections, while voting for the best alternatives you can find locally.

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    It’s two-fold.

    The overton window has shifted so far that we’re getting warmongering from the democrats.

    ‘Half’ of the congressional left are sleeper agents for the right.

    The DNC keeps pushing right and refuses to do anything to keep us from sliding into authoritarianism. Appeasing the right, Siding with Israel.

    But not voting left is the same as voting right, that IS how the right wins.

    And voting left is just giving them a blank check to keep sliding that window further right.

    Neither party is going to let a third party in.

    Appeasing the left is making them worse.

    The rub, people think if they keep not-voting or voting independent, the DNC will give in and start moving stuff left. They won’t. They don’t truly want to win.

    It’s like fucking Brewsters millions out here, but “None of the Above” won’t fucking help either.

    I think, mostly, we can agree that the agenda of the “left” is the lesser of two evils, but the evils are getting so bad that we need desperately to do something to move the window back left a little.

  • brownsugga@lemmy.world
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    I vote in all elections, while simultaneously believing all politics is theatre conducted by those that actually own the world.

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    I want to preface this by saying that I do vote in every election, and I think everyone should exercise their right to vote.

    That being said, both parties are bad. We’re in a class war, and the Democrats are just as beholden/part of the oligarchy as the Republicans are.

    The Republicans are definitely worse than the Democrats. There’s no question there, but what we really need is a fucking revolution.

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    Your frequent reminder from the local queer, leftist furry that if “voting didn’t work,” Republicans and billionaires wouldn’t spend billions of dollars on voter suppression and propaganda telling you that your vote doesn’t matter.

    Do your part, waste billionaire money by voting anyway, by any means necessary~

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    When will we prolls wrap our heads around the fact that we have been excluded from the Democratic process by the electoral vote. Not trying to be mean or sarcastic I’m just looking for a timeline.

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    Dear Americans, voting for Democrats will get you nowhere, too. I know this is hard, but you will have to start a revolution or vote for a third party in an unprecedented coordinated effort.

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    Now the question is which is easier, convincing millions of people to vote for “anyone not a republican” or convincing a candidate to be more than “not republican”

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      Hey, primaries are around now. It’s a great time for that!

      Participate in primaries. THIS is the election you want for that.

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        Depends on where you are. My state doesn’t have primaries till August and by then it’s basically already decided.

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          Same here, most primary candidate drop out before I even get my mail in ballot. Also there hasnt been a fair primary in 12 years so like so for over a decade party direction has been at the mercy of quid pro quo backroom deals, or straight up just appointing a candidate. Why would the next one suddenly be a fair representation of the will of voters?

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        Yeah, it appears that Americans aren’t getting the education they need regarding the horrors of fascism. Apparently the largest war in history happening less than a century ago due to fascism isn’t enough. A war that was very well documented, including photographic and video evidence.

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      No the real question is: which is easier, bitching online or running for office. I wish 1 in a million people who whinge about lack of candidates would actually go run for something. I’ll vote for you.

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      You mean Republican, right?

      ;)

      Same as Democrats are not democratic, Republicans are not republican. ;)

      Hard work undoing the newspeek this deep into the Orwellian hole.

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      It depends. What it means to be “more than “not Republican”” is different for different people. Some will never be satisfied, and others are just plain wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to drive down Democratic turnout so the fascists can hold power.

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        While yes, those groups certainly exist, the majority of people just truly need help from someone who actually cares to help them, and not someone who says they do, but abandons the idea when it turns out to be difficult to supply that help because it never meant that much to them in the first place, if it was ever anything more than talk to begin with.

        Pointing out the tiny problematic groups without even mentioning the much larger legitimate group reminds me of people who complain about welfare because of the tiny group of people that exploit it, completely ignoring the huge amount of people that just need help.

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          Every time the welfare thing comes up I respond, so what? Who fucking cares if some tiny minority of people abuse the system if it means the people who really need it have easier access, or access at all? No one abusing welfare is so rich you would argue they don’t need help anyway, unless there’s some sort of corruption going on. Big companies take way more in handouts from the government than people on welfare. Why can’t the big powerful successful corporations pull themselves up by their bootstraps?