(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat. They have their place.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
Heh, sorry about the soapboxing. I kind of lost the plot there. Yea, so it’s like others have said, that’s the joke. It’s making fun of the people who bitch about plant-based foods trying to mimic animal-based ones.
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
Beans are the protein.
Nah, main ingredient.
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
I don’t think you have to find an AI picture of a fat person eating chips.
Because carnivore grifters are right wingers, and the right loves AI slop. The carnivore grift is not for health, but a political movement.
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
Why are you so obsessed with how rocks taste, just east the food
Me add super pepper, and then salt. Then, me sear, rest, and est
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
plant-based mock-meats
Why make plants taste like meat?
That’s the joke dude.
But also it’s for the noobs. Nonvegans will continuously conjure up every excuse possible to keep supporting cruelty, to the point that we now evidently have to make special science meats that people will also probably try to make excuses to avoid.
no one supports cruelty
The animal agriculture industry, and many others beg to differ.
Oh. Good joke.
If you like meat so much, why do you eat plants and/or seasoning from the get to?
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
Been making home made seitan the past couple weeks and it’s so good.
This is the way.
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
🤣
I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general regardless.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
It’s like asking an atheist if they enjoy Christmas without the Christ stuff — I mean sometimes? Most of it isn’t Christian, you’ve just come to associate them.
Like yes, I still enjoy salt, fat, and sweet smoky flavours even if they’re not from warming body parts of dubious provenance in my kitchen? I’m quite happy to leave that part out, thanks!
[Some kind of body of Christ pun.]
Yeah basically.
I always knew that it was the flavoring I enjoyed, which came from the spices. Not judging anyone that does miss meat or other animal products, but for the most part I’m rather unbothered.
And obviously I believe in the cause, I’m not just doing it because I can.
To be honest meat, even the smell of it, has become very unpleasant to me these days. It all smells putrefied to me.
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil. It’s wild lol.
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
Oh hey, another Jordan Peterson fan! *fistbump*
extreme constipation like 3 days
Fun fact: this is not extreme. Extreme is more than a week. 3 days is the minimal threshold for constipation.
Everyone keeps saying “fun fact” dealin with 💩 info. 😂
Thank you for the info.
I’m laughing harder than is the poop of a fiber detestent.
Fun fact, those two things go together. My oldest is autistic and needed several rounds of feeding therapy before he’d eat anything but Chicken Nuggets like 90% of the time.
if your constipation gets extreme enough your bowels start being unable to pull liquid out of what comes into them. So you go from being unable to poop at all to suddenly just having the still liquid stuff leaking out around the blockage being the only thing that can come out.
I’ll probably regret going there ….
But could this be a scenario where the cheapest chicken tenders are good? Is there any fiber to whatever they use for filler?
That’s really interesting. Thanks for the info.
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where some spices are produced from animals.
Sir, this is a shitpost
Damn, touche.
Enjoy the delusion, hopefully the link works: https://hackertalks.com/post/31790787
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
- we should eat everything in moderation, balanced diet is a varied diet.
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram* once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little more if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice you’re losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
(*) Varied meat. Includes offal. White and red.
Oh , I buy this, to some extent. As an omnivore…. I’ll never give up eating meat, but I do love some meals that are “accidentally” vegetarian.
Hot take on Indian food: one of the world’s greatest cuisines but when I visited, I found so many restaurants deprioritized even chicken so much that it was just not worth it. Enjoy the meals, enjoy what they do well without trying to push different preferences
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
I don’t miss meat anymore because for many categories, alternatives have gotten good enough that eating them instead of real meat isn’t really a sacrifice for me, just a different version and maybe a brief period of getting used to it. I’m quite content with vegan chicken stuff and burgers and sausages for example, if the product is well made. Even some cheaper ones have improved a lot. Guess I’m lucky that I never was much into steaks and cheese.
The thing I do miss is being able to go into any restaurant without worrying if they even have vegan options. This might be a big reason why people don’t go vegan. But trying to eat plant-based if practical while making some exceptions would already be awesome. Even just asking for vegan options if there are none would help a lot if enough people did it.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
After 10 years I’m not sure anymore if I’ll eat cell culture meat, because eating real meat is just kinda strange/disgusting to me by now. But I’d be really happy if it became available for the people who do want to eat real meat.
It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
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