I’m a gun owning liberal… mostly because of Westworld 🤓 It’s just to much of a pain to shoot living in a city… but FFS, can we really fight off the U.S. Army? Or republicans who collect firearms and bullets like baseball cards 😕
Not everyone in the military is ready to be Trump’s storm troopers. Civil wars do not work that way. There will be sides and infighting all over the place and many people would die unfortunately. Read about our first Civl War if the subject interests you.
If it comes down to Civil War, the military will be wildly fractured, and regional. Most of your daily danger will come from gangs of local marauders who will fancy themselves as militias. Those people can be handled with a bit of smarts and intelligence.
Remember, MAGA always thinks they will win in one big punch. They never have a plan for the next steps, responses, consequences, etc., they never have a Plan B, and they ALWAYS think their opponent is Stupid, and will never anticipate their grade school playground plan. Use their virtuosic incompetence against them.
It’s definitely going to be an interesting point in our history. I do hope we can get through it without a second civil war, but I fear that’s the path we are on.
But my guess would be that almost every country, especially the US, is far to big to be governed by force. Spreading supply lines across a potentially hostile area of that size would be a nearly impossible task on its own… protecting all the industrial assets and natural ressources would be another.
I agree the US would be ungovernable. There are soo many critical infrastructure targets. You could cut off a region and then roll up any loyal fascist forces with hot and run attacks.
You know I really don’t know what I am. I just want everybody to live the the life they want. I want everybody to have healthcare. I want kids to be educated. I want our infrastructure to be the best in the world. I want national parks to instill the love of nature. I want the natural resources taken from our ground and oceans to be used to enrich the lives of everybody not just the few. I want any public service work to be the highest aspiration of a child be it military, paramedic, social worker, or school teacher. I don’t know what this makes me. I do know that I benefited from things like this when I was growing up and I think they are worthwhile. Like I said I don’t know what that makes me I just know that Project 2025 and the MAGA are evil and if we can not come together and fight it then everything I hoped for in life will be lost. We all will be lost. I don’t want to become that guy standing at a checkpoint asking, " what kind of American are you?"
An armed populace isn’t about fighting the military in some grand battle. It’s about making every random person a potential threat. When every citizen has a chance of being armed, leaders should lead in a way that doesn’t piss off too many of them.
It’s called insurgency. A good example of what would occur is what happened in Iraq. Iraq is a very high gun ownership rate country and what happened after the 2003 invasion is what would happen in the USA if a civil war happened here. I apologize for using the word ‘happen’ too much lol.
Yes, but it’s more than that. The idea of an armed populace is supposed to be that the threat posed by the armed citizens precents the need for insurgencies in the first place. But in the US it isn’t working because Democratic voters disarmed themselves while Republican voters armed themselves to the teeth.
The mass surveillance and tracking that is currently being implemented are to neutralize the threat of an armed populace; it’s to protect the rich ruling class.
The us army has a wonderful track record with occupation (what you are talking about is going to be even worse for them). They could not beat Iraq or Afghanistan and there they were able to pretend they are not really human, in the states? Ehhhh I would be shocked if the us army could even fight the us people. They are not winning that fight, sad that americans think like the army could.
I’m a gun owning liberal… mostly because of Westworld 🤓 It’s just to much of a pain to shoot living in a city… but FFS, can we really fight off the U.S. Army? Or republicans who collect firearms and bullets like baseball cards 😕
Not everyone in the military is ready to be Trump’s storm troopers. Civil wars do not work that way. There will be sides and infighting all over the place and many people would die unfortunately. Read about our first Civl War if the subject interests you.
Doesn’t matter how many guns you have, you still only have 2 hands.
And I can tell you not all of them are training, they just go shoot off random rounds at a range with no plan other than make gun go bang.
A salient point.
If it comes down to Civil War, the military will be wildly fractured, and regional. Most of your daily danger will come from gangs of local marauders who will fancy themselves as militias. Those people can be handled with a bit of smarts and intelligence.
Remember, MAGA always thinks they will win in one big punch. They never have a plan for the next steps, responses, consequences, etc., they never have a Plan B, and they ALWAYS think their opponent is Stupid, and will never anticipate their grade school playground plan. Use their virtuosic incompetence against them.
It’s definitely going to be an interesting point in our history. I do hope we can get through it without a second civil war, but I fear that’s the path we are on.
I agree with you, but… ICE now has more officers than the FBI and a budget larger than the Marines. I guarantee they aren’t hiring for intelligence…
If shit really hit the fan I’m sure the Republicans will bring in foreign powers such as Israel to back them up militarily.
ICE is mostly filled with incompetent dipshits who’ve never seen any actual combat. You think those chuds would be that effective??
Yes.
But my guess would be that almost every country, especially the US, is far to big to be governed by force. Spreading supply lines across a potentially hostile area of that size would be a nearly impossible task on its own… protecting all the industrial assets and natural ressources would be another.
I agree the US would be ungovernable. There are soo many critical infrastructure targets. You could cut off a region and then roll up any loyal fascist forces with hot and run attacks.
But it won’t be easy and it would be very bloody.
Funny that. The best armed person I know is a liberal. Not a leftist unfortunately but you can’t win em all
You know I really don’t know what I am. I just want everybody to live the the life they want. I want everybody to have healthcare. I want kids to be educated. I want our infrastructure to be the best in the world. I want national parks to instill the love of nature. I want the natural resources taken from our ground and oceans to be used to enrich the lives of everybody not just the few. I want any public service work to be the highest aspiration of a child be it military, paramedic, social worker, or school teacher. I don’t know what this makes me. I do know that I benefited from things like this when I was growing up and I think they are worthwhile. Like I said I don’t know what that makes me I just know that Project 2025 and the MAGA are evil and if we can not come together and fight it then everything I hoped for in life will be lost. We all will be lost. I don’t want to become that guy standing at a checkpoint asking, " what kind of American are you?"
An armed populace isn’t about fighting the military in some grand battle. It’s about making every random person a potential threat. When every citizen has a chance of being armed, leaders should lead in a way that doesn’t piss off too many of them.
It’s called insurgency. A good example of what would occur is what happened in Iraq. Iraq is a very high gun ownership rate country and what happened after the 2003 invasion is what would happen in the USA if a civil war happened here. I apologize for using the word ‘happen’ too much lol.
Yes, but it’s more than that. The idea of an armed populace is supposed to be that the threat posed by the armed citizens precents the need for insurgencies in the first place. But in the US it isn’t working because Democratic voters disarmed themselves while Republican voters armed themselves to the teeth.
The mass surveillance and tracking that is currently being implemented are to neutralize the threat of an armed populace; it’s to protect the rich ruling class.
specifically democrats, sjws, POCs, trans, and women.
The us army has a wonderful track record with occupation (what you are talking about is going to be even worse for them). They could not beat Iraq or Afghanistan and there they were able to pretend they are not really human, in the states? Ehhhh I would be shocked if the us army could even fight the us people. They are not winning that fight, sad that americans think like the army could.
Literally all it takes is a label. Those marked are less than human. Foregone conclusion
The guns aren’t about fighting off the US Army.
The guns are about fighting back against 12 rednecks long enough for the state cops/whoever to get there and save the day.
True. An unprecedented test of our democracy is coming faster than I ever thought possible.