Any Democrat or leftist in a gun club could have told you this a decade ago. They literally want us dead. Never forget that they’re monsters, even the loved ones that raised you.
if i want to shoot someone, i wont broadcast it
Republicans are telling their Supporters to MURDER DEMOCRATS? Which they’ve ALREADY DONE in Michigan and ATTEMPTED with Nancy Pelosi? Thank GOD Democrats are FIGHTING
THIS!Democratic Socialists calling for Peace!Republicans: Call for mass violence, murder, etc
Republican Voters: RABID CHEERS
Democrat: vaguely quote what a republican says
Republican voters: Mass outrage and calls for retribution against the liberal hate agenda
This seems pretty legal now, I guess.
I see this alluded to many times each day, may as well just come out and say it and skip the pretenses.
‘you’re supposed to say unaliving in minecraft’
Pretty sure all you talking about guns and civil war are drastically overestimating MAGA. We just need to put out an AI video of Trump claiming drinking Drano makes you immortal or something and the problem will take care of itself.
I mean ICE is both a joke and a scary brute squad.
Why even bother trying to make a joke at this point?
Sadly, it never was a joke
Some of us can shoot back. Get armed.
I like to tell people that if you go left enough, guns are back on the menu…
I’m a gun owning liberal… mostly because of Westworld 🤓 It’s just to much of a pain to shoot living in a city… but FFS, can we really fight off the U.S. Army? Or republicans who collect firearms and bullets like baseball cards 😕
The us army has a wonderful track record with occupation (what you are talking about is going to be even worse for them). They could not beat Iraq or Afghanistan and there they were able to pretend they are not really human, in the states? Ehhhh I would be shocked if the us army could even fight the us people. They are not winning that fight, sad that americans think like the army could.
republicans who collect firearms and bullets like baseball cards
Doesn’t matter how many guns you have, you still only have 2 hands.
And I can tell you not all of them are training, they just go shoot off random rounds at a range with no plan other than make gun go bang.
A salient point.
Not everyone in the military is ready to be Trump’s storm troopers. Civil wars do not work that way. There will be sides and infighting all over the place and many people would die unfortunately. Read about our first Civl War if the subject interests you.
If it comes down to Civil War, the military will be wildly fractured, and regional. Most of your daily danger will come from gangs of local marauders who will fancy themselves as militias. Those people can be handled with a bit of smarts and intelligence.
Remember, MAGA always thinks they will win in one big punch. They never have a plan for the next steps, responses, consequences, etc., they never have a Plan B, and they ALWAYS think their opponent is Stupid, and will never anticipate their grade school playground plan. Use their virtuosic incompetence against them.
It’s definitely going to be an interesting point in our history. I do hope we can get through it without a second civil war, but I fear that’s the path we are on.
I agree with you, but… ICE now has more officers than the FBI and a budget larger than the Marines. I guarantee they aren’t hiring for intelligence…
If shit really hit the fan I’m sure the Republicans will bring in foreign powers such as Israel to back them up militarily.
ICE is mostly filled with incompetent dipshits who’ve never seen any actual combat. You think those chuds would be that effective??
Yes.
But my guess would be that almost every country, especially the US, is far to big to be governed by force. Spreading supply lines across a potentially hostile area of that size would be a nearly impossible task on its own… protecting all the industrial assets and natural ressources would be another.
I agree the US would be ungovernable. There are soo many critical infrastructure targets. You could cut off a region and then roll up any loyal fascist forces with hot and run attacks.
But it won’t be easy and it would be very bloody.
An armed populace isn’t about fighting the military in some grand battle. It’s about making every random person a potential threat. When every citizen has a chance of being armed, leaders should lead in a way that doesn’t piss off too many of them.
It’s called insurgency. A good example of what would occur is what happened in Iraq. Iraq is a very high gun ownership rate country and what happened after the 2003 invasion is what would happen in the USA if a civil war happened here. I apologize for using the word ‘happen’ too much lol.
Yes, but it’s more than that. The idea of an armed populace is supposed to be that the threat posed by the armed citizens precents the need for insurgencies in the first place. But in the US it isn’t working because Democratic voters disarmed themselves while Republican voters armed themselves to the teeth.
The mass surveillance and tracking that is currently being implemented are to neutralize the threat of an armed populace; it’s to protect the rich ruling class.
The guns aren’t about fighting off the US Army.
The guns are about fighting back against 12 rednecks long enough for the state cops/whoever to get there and save the day.
True. An unprecedented test of our democracy is coming faster than I ever thought possible.
Extremism is part of our political discourse and always has been, even since the founding of the country.
Still, it’s in horribly bad taste and I wish we were better than this.
One day Trump will be gone, but the millions of fascists he empowered will still be spreading their poison, committing acts of terrorism, and doing everything in their power to destroy secular democracy and equality wherever they can.
This is a cancer we will need to eliminate using only methods our current constitution doesn’t allow. America needs a world class denazification. These monsters need to feel existential dread for ever externalizing their fascism, as a matter of law. Peace, prosperity and a civil society simply cannot exist with these people in it and free.
I wholeheartedly agree, but I don’t think this country is capable. You call out anyone for their hateful thetoric and you are accused of being the one who is out of line. Americans are so unbelievably afraid of any confrontation or pushback that we will defend the evil assholes right to be an evil asshole, but never their target.
We had our chance in the 1930s and 40s. We failed back then. And with things even more stacked now there’s no chance. I’d like to be surprised. But everyone is still sleepwalking to be sure.
I’ve been saying this for at least 2 years now, I’ve gotten banned and barred from many social gatherings because of it. It was still worth it. It’s clear what we must do.
That is going to have to be doubly true for all the collaborators in the Democratic party who got us here or the problem will never be truly solved
Are you a murderer?
If so, good news! Sort of.
I mean basically this, entirely unironically.
We couldn’t unracist the South.
So, we just have a happy little national divorce, and petition to join Canada, and then also the EU.
Or, form Super-Cascadia, New New England, and The Peoples Republic of Midwestistan.
Texas can annex Oklahoma, everything touching Utah becomes
Greater MormozoniaDeseret and the rest can be the Confederacy 2.0.(Sorry non included red mountain west / central states, you’re destined to be failed states due to climate change and depopulation, so you don’t get a name… ok, fine: Unorganized Territories)
Then the Chinese do a CIA and send tons of QBZ 192s and such to the 100% guaranteed resistance movements that’ll spring up in Jesusland, and maybe if we’re lucky, by 2150, we’ll have a saying that goes something like “America, once divided must unite; America, once united, must separate.”
If you’re gonna do all that, Blue North may as well just annex Alaska for the sake of contiguity.
Trade for Alberta?
Hey come on now, don’t give those weird Alberta separatists any more ideas! There are 100s of them and that is way too many!
This isn’t oniony. It’s the fascist party embracing political violence. Like fascists do.
JD Vance is speaking at a MAGA rally in my area next week.
This please send me your ideas for what I should write on a sign that will make him cry.
“The couch loves you even less than your wife does”
“You will never be free of Peter Thiel”
“Once Trump dies, so does your career”
“Thanks for killing the Pope, I like Bob!”
Just a few ideas to choose from off the top of my head 🤷🏻
“Peter Thiel’s bottom bitch”
Whatever makes sense.
Arm yourselves folks.
Also, get to know your neighbors. Most people are decent, and a semi-organized group willing to stand up for each other is a hell of a lot harder to oppress.
Also, I’d suggest reading “that nonviolent stuff will get you killed.” It’s about the role firearms played in the civil rights struggle. Super interesting read.
You mean this?
It appears to be a valid site and valid copy, but I went in with uBlock Origin fully loaded so I can’t guarantee it. I suggest the same for anyone else.
That’s it, good find!
Building community is just as important, if not moreso.
Sadly this is the answer.
With calls to start killing the opposition going unchallenged, it is only a matter of time until open civil war breaks out.
Whether you consider this fortunate or unfortunate is up to you, but I don’t think this is likely. Not because MAGA won’t go that far, but because nobody in a position to organize a popular mass response (armed or unarmed) to a MAGA overthrow of democracy would actually do it. The right will enthusiastically support it, the center will be kinda mad but just fall in line and the left will be caught with its pants down because nobody is out there building the organizational infrastructure for such a thing.
I’m glad someone gets it. It won’t be ‘civil war’ it will be ‘civil unrest’ with any true attempts to organize or enact violence quickly being neutralized by the complicit surveillance state. It doesn’t matter what the majority believe or want. It matters what you can enact in defense of your principles and your right to exist. This is how the fascist mind works. If they can’t be stopped then they won’t stop.
Frankly, it’s already too late. We already know how this works because we’ve seen it. In Russia, Hong Kong, Tiananmen Square, Iran, and a smattering of other places. It won’t be civil war. You need a military force for civil war. a cohesive engine with infrastructure and capital and weaponry. It will be protests and varying degree of ‘riots’ with maybe a peppering individual actors carrying out actual terrorist violence. None of that amounts to a civil war. At best you’re talking about a handful of dumb kids that got guns and went to a protest and then got everyone at the protest killed when they tried to defend themselves.
Hell, the war for independence was more or less a civil war but it only succeeded because the French came in and whipped the colonies into an actual fighting force. There is no equivalent outside force today that is going to come in and train the American populace, and even if there were you would be talking about some funding of terrorist cells kinda CIA style. The only place that could even remotely, (and I mean a snowflakes chance in hell) work is in the less populated middle of the country but there’s no force out there that agrees with left wing ideology and there’s no way to get supplies to them.
I’m sorry folks. I wish it weren’t so, but the moral high ground is useless if you can’t defend it.
Wipe your digital footprint, learn to obfuscate yourself and stfu until you can figure out how to leave if you’re a vulnerable demographic because shit’s going to hit the fan hard and you might find yourself dying in an ‘accidental’ prison fire or something the next time you go to a big protest and get arrested.
I’m hesitant to say there’s any historical precedent for where we’re headed.
I more or less agres, but I wanna note that I’m a bit more optimistic than you in that I don’t think it’s quite too late. In principle Americans could start now and build the infrastructure for a successful popular revolt (though that infrastructure would be much better used preemptively to prevent the need for popular revolt); they just won’t because they still believe the fascists will let themselves be voted out of power. The bad ending is still preventable but it won’t be prevented.
If they’re doing it, I hope they’re doing it quietly. That’s all I have to say.
I’ve bought 6 guns in the past month. Im looking for more. Took my kids and girl out shooting last weekend, taught the kids how to load and fire the 22. Let my girl go from loading the magazines and firing the 9 and 40 pistols. Let her pick which she liked best for home. Next weekend I’ll have the 9 carbine, 40 carbine and shotgun out for her to fire and I have a better target system for the kids to work with. If it keeps then safe from assholes, I’m for it.
Those are rookie numbers!
Can’t in my state, have to pay over $350 in fees, training and registration before I can even take home the purchased firearm.
Poor people (sadly the majority of the U.S. and growing!) really have one of two options… Break laws to defend yourself or accept the boot on your face.
I took a concealed carry course but realized the liability for shooting someone was pretty big. If I decide to carry, I intend to take multiple proficiency courses. I think that would be required.
What state is that? I’m in Illinois and it’s pretty bad here, hard to imagine worse.
Needles to say, I’ve got my firearm owner ID (thanks IL), my conceal carry, and handful of awareness/defense/tactics style classes under my belt to be prepared for just about any scenario (hopefully)
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FOID = $5 (technically all you need for step 4)
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CCL = $150+ 16-hour class + $150 license good for 5 years
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CCL insurance = $10+/month through USCCA, NRA, US Law Shield, or other (typically offers $1m+ for 2A defense attorney fees for criminal court and I believe ditto for civil court too)
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Now you can make your firearm purchase… minus 170+ banned firearms due to loading mechanisms, attachments, magazine capacities, firing method, etc.
Thanks
PricksterI mean PritzkerCould very well be Minnesota.
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He also got everyone in the audience to make a pledge to cheat:
That I will go out with my family, my friends. I’ll do it anyway. I don’t care if I’m registered or not, I’m gonna try and cheat like hell like they do. They never, there’s never been bigger cheaters. They don’t care. I am gonna go out and I’m gonna get my friends, my family, and we are going to vote on November 3rd or we are going to vote before that.
Gaslight
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Keyboard killers in here all ready to kill some ignorant fucks for truth and justice or anarchy or whatever.
Totally pretending there’s no lets-murder-people aspect.
Hey - you’re really gonna go shoot “some republicans”? First of all, no you’re not, and second of all should you find yourself in such an unenviable situation, you’d be a lot less gun-ho, if you’ll pardon the misexpression.
Okay, while I agree, killing someone is a heavy thing, why do we always beat down the folks on our side willing to do it?
I mean, you are right. Being in a situation where someone wants to kill you makes you shake rattle and roll to find any way out…that’s just not always an option.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t find a way to fix things without violence, but that’s not always the case. The only place where you can end ever conflict with no violence is in make believe land.
I constantly see folks like you saying “y’all are so dumb wanting to fight back against them, you’ll never kill any of em. Etc etc.”
At this point all you are doing is demoralizing the folks on our side who will pick up a gun and fight back.
I mean when some back woods red neck is at your door with a shotty are you gonna talk? Do you think they will listen?
They know what they are doing is wrong. They know you are human. They hear your logic and reasoning. They do not care. They want you dead.
Have your acts of philosophy and your bleeding speeches about how violence is never the answer. Have your moments to tell us that we must rise above the animalistic impulse to take and destroy.
But stop beating down the folks who would and are willing to take up the mantle of warrior to defend us against such humans that would seek to destroy everything we are.
I AM the redneck with the shotgun, but I promise never to show up to another liberal’s back door with it. I’ll be defending my family against the guy showing up at my door.
As a fellow GA redneck, it was not to shame you. I understand.
Sucks to be a redneck sometimes cause everyone thinks you are one thing but you aren’t. Stay strong my friend.
Oh… I just wanted to add my voice to yours. Some of us aren’t just internet warriors.
Why do we always give shit to the people who will be murderers? Uh . . Hm. I don’t know I guess. Maybe because they’re full of it? Maybe because their willingness to murder isn’t a particularly ennobling characteristic?
The only place where you can end ever conflict with no violence is in make believe land.
That’s not true. History provides examples. Do they all last forever? Also no - because time.
I mean when some back woods red neck is at your door with a shotty are you gonna talk? Do you think they will listen?
That’s an entirely different scenario. A drunk MAGAt stepping in my area threateningly will have his ground standed on. But that’s not what our proud lefty chest-beaters are on about here. They wanna Charlie Kirk Ted Cruz. And bully for them, just realize they’re not gonna do it. It’s fine to feel that way but when it becomes ‘legitimate political operations are fools to not murder MAGAts’ they’re shitting in the soup. It becomes another problem we have to deal with to get anywhere.
I agree. Killing someone is murder not matter the circumstances. But I am aware enough to know that not all murder is murder. Would you say the person who kills another person harming their family a murderer? By all definition they are, but would we hound them as evil or bad or crazy? Or would we say “they did what they did to defend their family.”
But also I keep seeing this denial of what MAGA can do.
There is no greater danger than to underestimate your opponents.
If I was to step back and look at it, MAGA has proven again and again that they are capable and willing. To be even more honest, they are whooping our asses right now.
What I’m saying is, when the chips are laid down and the dust is settled and you are face to face with hateful human who doesn’t care about your logic or beliefs, and is willing to mow you down to get what they want…do you really wanna push everyone who is willing to cross that line away?
I’d much rather have a person willing to pick up a spear and fight along side me than someone to quote to me why I’m wrong for wanting to fight.
I won’t down vote you or anything. Your beliefs are yours. I know we both probably agree, we should strive for better as a species. But for me, I don’t believe we can get to a better world unless we are willing to put our selves on the line for it.
(I’ll try to reread your comment more, but right now I am spending time with my kid)
But I am aware enough to know that not all murder is murder.
I know what you mean, but y’know. Whoever it is still has to live with it; which I am reliably informed is “a bitch” for anyone not already a sociopath.
It’s not that fighting is wrong, per se, it’s that killing someone should always be the last resort whenever possible. At least that’s how I see it. I might not if I wasn’t me.
All I’m saying is there are a lot more possibilities than the one you presented. Violence is a serious can of worms, but take note that we’re not the ones shouting this at a political rally. Get some perspective here.
If the choice is comply and let people be killed/be killed yourself or resist and be killed, I feel like that’s not even a choice.
That’s a call to make, for sure.
