Donald Trump pledged Wednesday to send every American adult $5,000 if Republicans retain control of the House and Senate in the midterm elections, an extraordinary gambit to reverse his party’s sagging fortunes in November.

The dubious promise would likely cost more than $1 trillion and require congressional approval, and would further exacerbate the country’s nearly $1.8 trillion annual budget deficit and concerns about inflation.

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    We’re all just ignoring the blatant illegality of buying votes then and pretending this is normal and okay for a sitting president to do? Ok…. Cool.

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      Maybe he can get away with it using say the strategy pepsi tried for their millitary jet comercial etc… IE a “no reasonable person would believe it was a real offer”.

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      You’re also ignoring that you’re $40 trillion in debt and not doing so well economically.

      This adds another trillion or two lol

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      He’s not really buying votes if he’s promising it to everybody. At that point it’s just a stimulus.

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        It’s a bribe because it’s conditional on Republicans holding congress. He’s buying votes. Whether or not he’d actually make good on the offer is an entirely separate matter.

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          I get where you’re coming from, but he could easily argue that he needs a Republican majority for the bill to pass, and that the conditional is referring to that.

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            He could. I still think it’s a textbook bribe, but ultimately it would have to be congress deciding, and I doubt they would judge based on the US code so much as they would be weighing their election chances with President Trump vs President Vance.

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            All republican stooges are changing the subject when few are asked about it. Unless they tack on gas chambers for immigrants, enough dems would vote for this if they had GOP minority proposing the bill in solidarity.

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        If it’s contingent upon people doing something that he wants, it’s a bribe. It doesn’t matter if it’s other things too. A bribe can take many forms.

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    Just making the offer of money for votes is a federal crime. You don’t even have to actual do it. But of course no one in power has the balls to do anything.

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    Sorry, I’m apparently unfamiliar with how democracy works. You are allowed to pay people to vote for you?

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      I guess technically he’s just running on a “give every American adult 5k” platform ? Of course I wouldn’t put it past him to try to only give them to GOP voters

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      Yep. This is how Doug Ford is Premiere of Ontario. He literally went into low income housing and gave out $20 bills.

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      If you convince enough wealthy people apparently “democracy” means you can just do whatever you feel like.

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      You are allowed to pay people to vote for you?

      No, and this is a violation. Either paying $5k dividend is a good or bad idea. Congress will vote on it. You can’t say that it is only a good idea if Nazis keep control of congress.

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      Short answer : no.

      Long answer : legal doesn’t really matter when Congress and the SC are in your pocket and refuse to hold you accountable for explicitly breaking the rules over and over again.

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      Yeah, democracy, according to the Americans . They also allow their “leader” to make “executive” decisions like a dictator 😆.

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      Yes, but it depends on how you do it. For the USA, if it were following its own laws, which it’s not, Trump can not give every person $5000 if the Republican party holds a majority in the House and Senate. That’s because following the laws the House would need to appropriate the funds first, pass that, send it through the Senate, have it pass there, then be signed by the president. In a normal America, the President can say they will pressure Congress to appropriate the funds and pass it but it can’t be a unilateral decision.

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    This asshat raised my taxes $8500 a year and wants to give me $5000 one time? Yea, sure. Sadly MAGAts will fall for it again.

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    If you think you’re going to receive $5,000 if Republicans win the 2026 election, then you don’t realize who made you need the extra $5,000 in the first place.

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      Exactly. Idk about you, but Trump has undoubtedly cost me way more than $5k with just his 2 years back in office. And that’s before considering the catastrophic long-term effects he’s had on costs.

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        $5.50 diesel vs the $3.75 high of the Biden years is $8,750 $875 a year extra in diesel for someone getting average 20mpg and driving 10,000 miles a year (both those are generous figures for coal rolling brodozer owners).

        Edit: thanks I was a little tired when I divided the 10,000 in my head!

        Now I need to look up real mileage and real driving distances too, it’s probably closer to 12k miles a year on average, but the real costs from expensive fuel are obviously the food production costs, and the delivery of everything.

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    Nevermind the financial cost. He’s literally offering to bribe the public in broad daylight, an impeachable offense under article 2 section 4 of the US constitution:

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

    There’s no interpretation of this section that can make Trump soliciting votes by way of bribery not an impeachable offense… But he’ll get away with it again because his cronies in Congress will refuse to impeach him.

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      I’d love for that to happen, but realistically, any blanket term the public should want that you campaign with could be construed as bribery.

      “Vote for our party and if we win, we’re going to get universal healthcare and medicine and do away with medical insurance filth”

      See. Now the public is being bribed with a functioning government that works for its citizens.

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        These things are not analogous. Trump isn’t saying “vote for me and if I win I’ll use my newly invested powers to give you xyz”.
        He’s saying “vote for my friends and I’ll use the power I already have to give you xyz”.
        There’s definitely a difference, the second being much more coercive. Imagine if instead he threatened to send people to fight in Iran if republicans didn’t win the midterms. Whether this is illegal I don’t know, but it should be.

        It’s also much weaker rhetorically. You can’t say “I haven’t given you the $5k yet because I didn’t have power before”.

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          I’ve already heard lawyers chiming in and saying it isn’t technically illegal.

          But yeah, theres a lot of things that should be illegal.

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    Man, between this, the $5000 DOGE checks that will never come, and the $2000 tariff checks that will ALSO never come? We’re all rolling in it, boys!

    It’s raining imaginary money!

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        And the DOGE checks we were supposed to get after DOGE was gonna save us trillions of dollars.

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      Oh the tariff checks came… they just went to the businesses after they inflated their prices to account for the additional tax, got to keep the refund themselves even though prices went up still, and then never lowered prices

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    How’s the national debt and stagflation, Don?

    Take your $5k and shove it up your ass. Tossing us crumbs to distract us from your total disaster of a presidency.

    What an economic moron.

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      The real economic morons are the ones who are excited that they are getting $5k if the repubs stay in congress.

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        And this. $5k means nothing with stagflation and worsening conditions for workers, no plan to address climate change, massive economic inequality, out of control healthcare costs, ballooning deficit due to insane, needless military spending, disgusting fascism, blatant corruption. etc.

        $5k is like two months rent for some people. Okay, what then? Back to the same old usual shit.

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      Yeah $5k for every American with no new taxes is just a massive burst in inflation. It can be done strategically in a situation like covid where the economy needs to be maintained from collapse due to a temporary situation of no work, but that’s about it.

      In a depression you spend money, but you do it by making jobs to get nice to haves.

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    Man I’m going to take this money and combine it with:

    My DOGE dividend that divididnt.

    My Tariff rebate check that is non existent.

    Same song, same dance, same rubes.

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    They bought his cheap made in China maga clothes

    They bought his $500 dollar gold sneakers which turned out to be trash

    They bought his expensive ecd knife which turned out to be gas-station-knife quality

    They bought his crypto which turned out to be pump&dump and lost money

    They bought gold phone which turned out to be plastic and 2 years out of date

    They’re buying the minted coin which they lose money on

    Something tells me they’ll still fall for this one thinking it will be the one that’s genuine.